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Old 01-07-2023 | 12:33 PM
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Got Rerouted into a day off during the snow storm in msp on January 3rd. Our flight attendants timed out in Vegas. Airport was back open at this point. No one in tracking/ scheduling/ duity pilot answering phones. We booked our own rooms and transportation. Flight went out the next day as same flight, just delayed 16 hours. No Reroute shown on schedule or pay on time card. I called and asked scheduling after rotation was closed about reroute pay. They said there is someone that reviews all that now. Takes a few weeks. Last week I was rerouted and it showed on my time card immediately. Is this a new thing that stated in January, or did scheduling just not want to deal with me.
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Old 01-07-2023 | 01:31 PM
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I'm no expert on RR, but it probably matters if you're RESERVE v. LINEHOLDER, and if you're reserve, if you were rerouted into a "golden day" (which would be extraordinary)
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Old 01-07-2023 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
I'm no expert on RR, but it probably matters if you're RESERVE v. LINEHOLDER, and if you're reserve, if you were rerouted into a "golden day" (which would be extraordinary)
Had similar. I was on reserve but some of the reroute rules still apply. I submitted an ACE report. Suggest you do the same.
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Old 01-07-2023 | 03:34 PM
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ACE report it as soon as possible.
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Old 01-07-2023 | 04:24 PM
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In order for RES to get RR pay, you have to get back > 4 hrs later than planned AND an off day needs to be violated. If you don't have both criteria, then no RR pay.

If you see "RR" on your schedule (REG or RES), it's just a pay code that means someone needs to review the rotation to see if RR pay is due.
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Old 01-07-2023 | 04:34 PM
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We are both line holders flown into our days off. No RR shown on schedule. Pairing shows closed. I will file an ace report, but waiting 3 month for it to get looked at is ridiculous.
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Old 01-07-2023 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Gusser
We are both line holders flown into our days off. No RR shown on schedule. Pairing shows closed. I will file an ace report, but waiting 3 month for it to get looked at is ridiculous.
If you operate your original flight and it’s just late (even a day late) it’s not a reroute. You just get an extra day pay. The trip gets rebuilt. See the following from section 23.A.45 as to what a reroute actually is:

Note: An alteration in the departure, enroute, or arrival time of a scheduled flight
segment does not constitute a reroute.


Page 23-5. From PWA
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Old 01-07-2023 | 05:32 PM
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Thanks for the response. We were also rerouted on day 2 of 4. Different flights, different overnight. We pick up the remainder of our trip on day 3. Arrived home a day late. I see how the last day doesn’t check to reroute box, but day 2 was a reroute day.
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Old 01-07-2023 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Gusser
We are both line holders flown into our days off. No RR shown on schedule. Pairing shows closed. I will file an ace report, but waiting 3 month for it to get looked at is ridiculous.

if the flight was never canceled (and you weren’t re-assigned), but merely 16 hours delayed.. you likely aren’t going to get re-Route pay.. no matter if it was 4 hours or 14 after original sign out. It’s a loophole. Ask me how I know..

you will, however, get whatever additional pay is contractual for TAFB or ADG rigs because of the delayed return to base.

as for the 3 month delay in getting a response.. at the next Velvet, ask Laughter to stop violating our contract and the wait time won’t be nearly that long. Most of the volume is created by their inability to honor the agreement they signed in 2016.
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Old 01-08-2023 | 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by NJGov
if the flight was never canceled (and you weren’t re-assigned), but merely 16 hours delayed.. you likely aren’t going to get re-Route pay.. no matter if it was 4 hours or 14 after original sign out. It’s a loophole. Ask me how I know..
I disagree that it's a "loophole". You are still flying your original flight, it's just late. A reroute is where you are flying a flight that was never on your original paring.

Originally Posted by NJGov
you will, however, get whatever additional pay is contractual for TAFB or ADG rigs because of the delayed return to base.

as for the 3 month delay in getting a response.. at the next Velvet, ask Laughter to stop violating our contract and the wait time won’t be nearly that long. Most of the volume is created by their inability to honor the agreement they signed in 2016.
100% accurate. They have never put in place the resources necessary (technology or personnel) so that the proper pay treatment for reroutes could be handled appropriately in a timely manner.
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