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Old 12-30-2015, 08:34 PM
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Delta management has attempted to circumvent raises to pilots directed in 3.B.4. Their temporary success is due to their deliberate manipulation of the timing of raises given to non-pilot employees. The PWA language as written allows them the ability to change the timing of the trigger event to management's advantage. However the language as written also provides an 18 month rolling look back. The 3.B.4. provision can be delayed and manipulated but can not be avoided. Every raise in the 18 months following December 1, 2015 now includes the percentage of employees effected on December 1. This percentage will always exceed the 30% required to trigger a review. This means every raise in the next 18 months will also trigger a review. Most importantly the satisfaction of conditions to trigger a review are not limited by frequency or previous triggers.


3.B.4. Trigger:
“If, during any consecutive rolling 18-month period, the Company grants an across-the-board increase in base pay rates to non-pilot U.S.-based workgroups covering 30% or more of its non-pilot U.S.-based workforce, then a review of pilot composite hourly rates will be triggered.”

3.B.4. Next trigger date:
The next increase in base pay rates to a non-pilot U.S. based work group will be the dispatcher contractual raise in the PAFCA contract.
On the date of the PAFCA contractual raise there will have been an across-the-board increase in base pay rates to non-pilot U.S.-based workgroups covering 30% or more (nearly 100%) of its non-pilot U.S.-based workforce within the preceding 18 months. The fulfillment of the language specific conditions will trigger a review of pilot composite hourly rates.


3.B.4. Review:
“If, as a result of that review, it is determined that, as of the date the review was triggered, the Delta top-of-scale 757 Captain composite hourly rate is less than 100% of the average of the top-of-scale 757 Captain hourly domestic day rates at United and American, the pilot composite hourly rates will be increased (except as 9 provided in Section 3 B. 4. Note). The amount of increase will be the lesser of the percentage difference between the Delta top-of-scale 757 Captain composite hourly rate and 100% of the top-of-scale average 757 Captain hourly domestic day rates at United and American, or the average percentage increase (except as provided in Section 3 B. 4. Note) granted to the non-pilot U.S.-based workgroups of the Company. Any percentage increase due the pilots will be effective as of the date of the increase that triggered the review.”

3.B.4. Next review:
As of January 1, 2016 the review of pay rates will provide a 3% pay increase under the current United and American contracts. However, if United ratifies an agreement that moves their composite rate substantially higher, then the review would provide an increase of either the average increase of the non-pilot raises or the increase to the industry average rate, whichever is less. The result of a United ratification before the PAFCA trigger date could result in as much as a 14.5% pay rate increase if the Delta employee portion of the comparison is the lessor value. Any ratification after the PAFCA pay increase allows for an increase the following year if it is still within 18 months. The comparison is made each time another review is triggered.



3.B.4. From PWA:
If, during any consecutive rolling 18-month period, the Company grants an across-the-board increase in base pay rates to non-pilot U.S.-based workgroups covering 30% or more of its non-pilot U.S.-based workforce, then a review of pilot composite hourly rates will be triggered. If, as a result of that review, it is determined that, as of the date the review was triggered, the Delta top-of-scale 757 Captain composite hourly rate is less than 100% of the average of the top-of-scale 757 Captain hourly domestic day rates at United and American, the pilot composite hourly rates will be increased (except as provided in Section 3 B. 4. Note). The amount of increase will be the lesser of the percentage difference between the Delta top-of-scale 757 Captain composite hourly rate and 100% of the top-of-scale average 757 Captain hourly domestic day rates at United and American, or the average percentage increase (except as provided in Section 3 B. 4. Note) granted to the non-pilot U.S.-based workgroups of the Company. Any percentage increase due the pilots will be effective as of the date of the increase that triggered the review.
Note: Base pay rates for non-pilot U.S. – based workgroups will only be considered to have increased to the extent they exceed the rates in effect on July 1, 2012. Should an increase for non-pilot U.S.-based workgroups exceed the base pay rates in effect on July 1, 2012, then only the percentage by which such an increase exceeds the applicable July 1, 2012, base pay rates will be considered in the calculation of the percentage increase that may be applied to pilot composite hourly rates.

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Old 12-31-2015, 05:03 AM
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The dispatchers are unionized and have a contract? Were they not not already included in the 14.5% raise on Dec 1? Do you know when they are due this "contractual" raise?

Ratification vote of the United TA ends Jan 22. Is the raise before or after that?

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Old 12-31-2015, 06:23 AM
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This could work out ok for us. However I have several questions. Do the dispatchers comprise 30% of the US based non pilot workforce? If yes, then the other part of the review stands out to me,

"The amount of increase will be the lesser of the percentage difference between the Delta top-of-scale 757 Captain composite hourly rate and 100% of the top-of-scale average 757 Captain hourly domestic day rates at United and American, or the average percentage increase (except as provided in Section 3 B. 4. Note) granted to the non-pilot U.S.-based workgroups of the Company."

Hmmm, there is that OR between United and American. Also there is the last segment of "non-pilot workgroups".

So the way I read it is that when this review occurs we could get an increase equal to that groups increase. Or does that also include the rest of the non-pilot workgroups?

I guess I would have to read the note to 3B4.
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I just read in the council 44 update that we ended up getting a .5 percent raise on December 1, 2015 thanks to this section. First I had heard of this. Hardly earth shattering. Next year though it will probably be closer to 5-6 percent assuming Delta gives the other groups raises again.
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 View Post
I just read in the council 44 update that we ended up getting a .5 percent raise on December 1, 2015 thanks to this section. First I had heard of this. Hardly earth shattering. Next year though it will probably be closer to 5-6 percent assuming Delta gives the other groups raises again.

I recommend a more careful reading of both the C44 Hotline and Section 3 B.4.


The Hotline stated that the December 1 pay raise will be 0.05% (zero point zero five).


Section 3 B.4 provides for a "lesser" value of the two figures that are involved in the evaluation after a trigger event.
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Originally Posted by Chuck Essential View Post
I recommend a more careful reading of both the C44 Hotline and Section 3 B.4.


The Hotline stated that the December 1 pay raise will be 0.05% (zero point zero five).


Section 3 B.4 provides for a "lesser" value of the two figures that are involved in the evaluation after a trigger event.
You're right. Just glanced. .5, .05; honestly, both percentages are so small that they are insignificant kind of like our per diem increase for the failed TA.
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 View Post
You're right. Just glanced. .5, .05; honestly, both percentages are so small that they are insignificant kind of like our per diem increase for the failed TA.
Yeah, not quite what we were sold during ratification by our reps. "Any raises granted to more than 30% of our fellow employees will be matched for us, up to 3% annually." I guess I should have read the fine print.
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Originally Posted by Falcon7 View Post
I guess I should have read the fine print.
"Read the fine print?"
Are you claiming to be a "no" voter? GMAB.
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Originally Posted by Falcon7 View Post
Yeah, not quite what we were sold during ratification by our reps. "Any raises granted to more than 30% of our fellow employees will be matched for us, up to 3% annually." I guess I should have read the fine print.
Don't remember my reps saying that. Guess you should know your contract better....

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
"Read the fine print?"
Are you claiming to be a "no" voter? GMAB.
Nope, just a victim of misinformation put out regarding what we could expect from 3B4.
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