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Planetrain 01-17-2023 12:20 PM

WB protections look great to me. Good luck to management posting and awarding a remediation bid and then converting the remediated pilots all in a 6 month timeline. I predict a lot of conversions sitting at home with WB pay awaiting training.

Also I like the remediation is based on hours and then converted jobs in a 2 CA/2 FO payment. Could have been 1 CA/ 2 FO.

Trip7 01-17-2023 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 3573435)
WB protections look great to me. Good luck to management posting and awarding a remediation bid and then converting the remediated pilots all in a 6 month timeline. I predict a lot of conversions sitting at home with WB pay awaiting training.

Also I like the remediation is based on hours and then converted jobs in a 2 CA/2 FO payment. Could have been 1 CA/ 2 FO.

Agreed. Looks like a ton of Widebody job growth coming. We should be seeing 2007 hires and later into the left seat of non 7ER WBs very soon.
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Gunfighter 01-17-2023 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3573443)
Agreed. Looks like a ton of Widebody job growth coming. We should be seeing 2007 hires and later into the left seat of non 7ER WBs very soon.
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Maybe even later this week. We're getting close.

Vsop 01-17-2023 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 3573431)
Are delta pilots truly worried about not enough narrow body jobs in our bid packet?

How many NB have the range to go any further than BOS-LHR?

Hmmmmm I really hope my sarcasm detector just needs a calibration.

Vsop 01-17-2023 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 3573435)
WB protections look great to me. Good luck to management posting and awarding a remediation bid and then converting the remediated pilots all in a 6 month timeline. I predict a lot of conversions sitting at home with WB pay awaiting training.

Also I like the remediation is based on hours and then converted jobs in a 2 CA/2 FO payment. Could have been 1 CA/ 2 FO.

I agree on the remediation being very nice

Myfingershurt 01-17-2023 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 3573435)
WB protections look great to me. Good luck to management posting and awarding a remediation bid and then converting the remediated pilots all in a 6 month timeline. I predict a lot of conversions sitting at home with WB pay awaiting training.

Also I like the remediation is based on hours and then converted jobs in a 2 CA/2 FO payment. Could have been 1 CA/ 2 FO.

Converting them is easy. Getting them trained is the hard part.

Planetrain 01-17-2023 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Vsop (Post 3573453)
Hmmmmm I really hope my sarcasm detector just needs a calibration.

Maybe I’m a little callous with my first comment considering our cabotage protections, but as to the second, what NB aircraft has a 9+ hour range and a heavy 3 or 4 class useable cabin that adheres to SkyTeam standards like Delta One?

Unless KLM relocates to KEF and travelers are willing to ride a narrow body and make 1am connections in Iceland (Ala Emirates), I don’t see a workable threat. 32N/223/Max doesn’t have the range or payload with a first class cabin for flights much more than 6/7hr + reserves.

Bucking Bar 01-17-2023 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3573361)
trans-border is outside of global scope. it's a separate negotiation.

Still absorbing the information but a couple of issues jump right out, some of which (AM and WestJet) have already been identified by those on this board. WestJet and AM would still be controlled by 1 E. 2. which limits codeshare:
a. more than 40% of the passenger seats in any month on any pair of flight segments in 13 a city pair (e.g., CDG-ATL-CDG) of such foreign air carrier, 14
b. a monthly average of more than 175 passenger seats per flight segment (e.g., CDG15 ATL or ATL-CDG) of such foreign air carrier on flying other than flying covered by Section 1 E. 2. c. and d., or
c. a monthly average of more than 75 passenger seats per flight segment of such foreign 18 air carrier to and from Mexico, the Caribbean, Canada or Central America,

Puddytatt 01-17-2023 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 3573480)
Maybe I’m a little callous with my first comment considering our cabotage protections, but as to the second, what NB aircraft has a 9+ hour range and a heavy 3 or 4 class useable cabin that adheres to SkyTeam standards like Delta One?

Unless KLM relocates to KEF and travelers are willing to ride a narrow body and make 1am connections in Iceland (Ala Emirates), I don’t see a workable threat. 32N/223/Max doesn’t have the range or payload with a first class cabin for flights much more than 6/7hr + reserves.

TL: DR "We didn't think they'd do that..."

Vsop 01-17-2023 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 3573480)
Maybe I’m a little callous with my first comment considering our cabotage protections, but as to the second, what NB aircraft has a 9+ hour range and a heavy 3 or 4 class useable cabin that adheres to SkyTeam standards like Delta One?

Unless KLM relocates to KEF and travelers are willing to ride a narrow body and make 1am connections in Iceland (Ala Emirates), I don’t see a workable threat. 32N/223/Max doesn’t have the range or payload with a first class cabin for flights much more than 6/7hr + reserves.

ok. I think you might want to brush up on the 321XLR and how Airbus is advertising it to airlines. Segments like TPA-CDG, DEN-LHR are within its capabilities. I understand that on many segments a wide body aircraft will make more economic sense, but my point stands that not addressing a market trend in long range narrow bodies is an error.


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