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Old 02-23-2023 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
That was the point of my response. Gundam was hoping for the good ole FED Govt to take over all retirement planning (ala SSA) and we, as good peasants, just work and wait for the FEDS to make it equitable for us.

My point was that unfortunately, we are probably only a few dozen more $$Trillion away from the govt deciding that seizing assets to make things fair is only equitable way out. When the FED Debt INTEREST exceeds all other spending by a mile, you will start to see more and more of the country cry out for essentially a "reset". Student loan forgiveness will just be the opening salvo, as progressivism is not happy until everyone is equal in their own misery.
So decent social security that ensures a financially secure and enjoyable retirement instead of a barely adequate one is as terrible as deleting student loan debt? Oh no..please. No. Stop. don't.
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Old 02-24-2023 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Gundam
So decent social security that ensures a financially secure and enjoyable retirement instead of a barely adequate one is as terrible as deleting student loan debt? Oh no..please. No. Stop. don't.
You mean the same SS that is completely underfunded and the government has no idea how to make it back? Show me anything the gov has touched that fiscally hasn’t turned into a disaster. No thanks, ill pay my taxes that both parties can F away, and I’ll keep my own $$. Same with pensions, to bring it back full circle. No matter what happens to Mother D in the future, that $$ is mine.
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Old 02-24-2023 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Gundam
So decent social security that ensures a financially secure and enjoyable retirement instead of a barely adequate one is as terrible as deleting student loan debt? Oh no..please. No. Stop. don't.
So let me get this straight.... somehow it is MY responsibility to provide for YOUR retirement as well as YOUR college loans?

Well then why am I working at all? I can sit home and let someone else provide for my 'needs'. Social Security is not supposed to provide a comfortable retirement. Social Security is a supplement at best, a safety net at worst. Nevermind that it is the biggest Ponzi scheme in history, but nonetheless it was never intended for that.
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Old 02-24-2023 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
One could make an argument that the stock market is a scam as well, food for thought.
Pensions are investested in the stock market. The middleman has proven to be the problem.
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Old 02-24-2023 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
So let me get this straight.... somehow it is MY responsibility to provide for YOUR retirement as well as YOUR college loans?

Well then why am I working at all? I can sit home and let someone else provide for my 'needs'. Social Security is not supposed to provide a comfortable retirement. Social Security is a supplement at best, a safety net at worst. Nevermind that it is the biggest Ponzi scheme in history, but nonetheless it was never intended for that.
I agree with you in regards to social security. However, your post is a little bit humourous as you seem to want younger pilots to pay for YOUR retirement.
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Old 02-24-2023 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
I agree with you in regards to social security. However, your post is a little bit humourous as you seem to want younger pilots to pay for YOUR retirement.
That is where you are completely wrong. I don't want ANYTHING from you. You have run with the mantra that I want you to pony up monies to me and that couldn't be further from the truth. But since you are against having the company doing anything that would have righted the wrong, now I am praying that I can keep your seat warm for you for an extra two years.
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Old 02-24-2023 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
That is where you are completely wrong. I don't want ANYTHING from you. You have run with the mantra that I want you to pony up monies to me and that couldn't be further from the truth. But since you are against having the company doing anything that would have righted the wrong, now I am praying that I can keep your seat warm for you for an extra two years.
If you don't want junior guys to pay for your retirement, who does then?
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Old 02-24-2023 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
If you don't want junior guys to pay for your retirement, who does then?

Im still pretty impressed though, we got through a full 5 1/2 pages of civil discussion before it devolved into another mud slinger.
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Old 02-24-2023 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
If you don't want junior guys to pay for your retirement, who does then?
Just to be the devil's advocate...
Didn't the senior guys pay for your higher pay rates? Or your profit sharing? Or your QOL to date?
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Old 02-24-2023 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Just to be the devil's advocate...
Didn't the senior guys pay for your higher pay rates? Or your profit sharing? Or your QOL to date?
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Mine or ours?

Even still, that isn't the argument. 007 even admitted he doesn't want junior guys to give up anything for his retirement. So, the question I asked was, if we aren't giving up anything, who is paying for it?
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