View Poll Results: After November 1st, I'll be wearing the...
Single-breasted jacket
180
42.96%
Double-breasted jacket
239
57.04%
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Jacket Poll
03-15-2023, 03:10 PM
#81
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 1,257
Originally Posted by FangsF15
You completely missed the part I bolded, and thus the entire point.
You have been espousing the hammers gonna fall come March 1st about the hats. I have not seen it. I will not see it because its made up hyperbole from your perspective and bias. Not reality.
03-16-2023, 04:44 AM
#82
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,070
Originally Posted by OOfff
who wears a uniform jacket unbuttoned?
03-16-2023, 05:54 AM
#83
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2020
Position: Enoch Powell Enthusiast
Posts: 2,139
Originally Posted by Boatbuilder
We haven’t yet, to my knowledge had a legal case challenging the uniform. I’m surprised actually. Considering the looseness of the FA uniform and grooming standards. I suspect it’s just a matter of time.
A quick google search suggests that while there are a few carve outs for religious reasons (Sikh turbans, Jewish yarmulkes, Muslim kufis, etc), for the most part it looks like the company would be on firm legal ground enforcing uniform standards. *
Hairstyles and facial hair standards have generally been upheld, for example.
Even if they don’t enforce them uniformly between groups (i.e. pilot group v flight attendants). But within a group, they must be applied equally.
Seems like an incredibly dumb hill to die on, but Maverick all you like, I suppose (gutsiest move I ever saw, etc etc). Be stunning and brave if this is your thing. (In general, not BoatB in particular).
(*) - some other industry cases against uniforms that were OJI related, like long term foot/arch damage caused by high heels, etc.
03-16-2023, 06:10 AM
#84
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: Representing the REAL Delta
Posts: 857
Originally Posted by Speed Select
You’re comparing the decades-long struggle to eliminate the evils and injustice of racism and sexism to replacing our uniform with something nobody likes?
YOU ARE OUT OF TOUCH and should probably not talk in public.
Everything you tried to equivocate above was/is an injustice. Our uniform is fabric and dye. It is not evil or an injustice. And yes, it works for what we do.
YOU ARE OUT OF TOUCH and should probably not talk in public.
Everything you tried to equivocate above was/is an injustice. Our uniform is fabric and dye. It is not evil or an injustice. And yes, it works for what we do.
Times change. The uniform is tired and dated. I’m glad you think it works but that’s your opinion and not reality.
Last edited by cornbeef007; 03-16-2023 at 06:21 AM.
03-16-2023, 06:24 AM
#85
Super Moderator
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,290
Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
No, I did not.
You have been espousing the hammers gonna fall come March 1st about the hats. I have not seen it. I will not see it because its made up hyperbole from your perspective and bias. Not reality.
But I'm not indulging your trolling and agitating any further.
03-16-2023, 06:59 AM
#86
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,233
Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Luck has nothing to do with it
I'll keep not wearing it and updating when I can.
Just finished a trip. Not one word said. I'm usually in the terminal(s) during peak show times for the CPOs (weekdays 9-5ish).
You keep wearing that stupid contraption. I'm not. Serves no purpose. And don't spit out that "Delta brand" BS. We went 8 months without it and NPS didn't take a hit.
Someone made a good point in another thread about our regional feeders (Sky West, Endeavor, Republic) pilots seem to wear quite the combinations from sweaters to trench coats to black to dark blue navy. Some wear hats, I guess those are endeavor pilots??? Others not. Our customers don't seem to care.
Anyway, as they said its the "Delta brand" and they are not marching around in DBJ and funky looking hats (our hats look terrible BTW, really poor choice of manufacturers).
What our customers really care about is getting form A to B, safely, on time with their baggage too. Our surveys clearly convey that FACT.
I'll keep not wearing it and updating when I can.
Just finished a trip. Not one word said. I'm usually in the terminal(s) during peak show times for the CPOs (weekdays 9-5ish).
You keep wearing that stupid contraption. I'm not. Serves no purpose. And don't spit out that "Delta brand" BS. We went 8 months without it and NPS didn't take a hit.
Someone made a good point in another thread about our regional feeders (Sky West, Endeavor, Republic) pilots seem to wear quite the combinations from sweaters to trench coats to black to dark blue navy. Some wear hats, I guess those are endeavor pilots??? Others not. Our customers don't seem to care.
Anyway, as they said its the "Delta brand" and they are not marching around in DBJ and funky looking hats (our hats look terrible BTW, really poor choice of manufacturers).
What our customers really care about is getting form A to B, safely, on time with their baggage too. Our surveys clearly convey that FACT.
That is only because CPO was specifically told not to inforce the policy.
I just don’t want you to complain later..
If we are ever properly staffed (prob never on EB watch) they’ll start removing pilots from trips if out of uniform compliance.
That can cost you thousands of dollars.
03-16-2023, 07:11 AM
#87
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,070
Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
That is only because CPO was specifically told not to inforce the policy.
I just don’t want you to complain later..
If we are ever properly staffed (prob never on EB watch) they’ll start removing pilots from trips if out of uniform compliance.
That can cost you thousands of dollars.
I just don’t want you to complain later..
If we are ever properly staffed (prob never on EB watch) they’ll start removing pilots from trips if out of uniform compliance.
That can cost you thousands of dollars.
03-16-2023, 07:23 AM
#88
Leaves Biscoff crumbs
Joined APC: Jan 2020
Position: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Posts: 1,363
Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
That’s an interesting point.
A quick google search suggests that while there are a few carve outs for religious reasons (Sikh turbans, Jewish yarmulkes, Muslim kufis, etc), for the most part it looks like the company would be on firm legal ground enforcing uniform standards. *
Hairstyles and facial hair standards have generally been upheld, for example.
Even if they don’t enforce them uniformly between groups (i.e. pilot group v flight attendants). But within a group, they must be applied equally.
Seems like an incredibly dumb hill to die on, but Maverick all you like, I suppose (gutsiest move I ever saw, etc etc). Be stunning and brave if this is your thing. (In general, not BoatB in particular).
(*) - some other industry cases against uniforms that were OJI related, like long term foot/arch damage caused by high heels, etc.
A quick google search suggests that while there are a few carve outs for religious reasons (Sikh turbans, Jewish yarmulkes, Muslim kufis, etc), for the most part it looks like the company would be on firm legal ground enforcing uniform standards. *
Hairstyles and facial hair standards have generally been upheld, for example.
Even if they don’t enforce them uniformly between groups (i.e. pilot group v flight attendants). But within a group, they must be applied equally.
Seems like an incredibly dumb hill to die on, but Maverick all you like, I suppose (gutsiest move I ever saw, etc etc). Be stunning and brave if this is your thing. (In general, not BoatB in particular).
(*) - some other industry cases against uniforms that were OJI related, like long term foot/arch damage caused by high heels, etc.
03-16-2023, 08:04 AM
#90
Can’t find crew pickup
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 2,014
Originally Posted by Vsop
Did anyone else see the mention of a more casual jacket coming in the 3/15 Flt Ops email? Anyone have any inside info on what it will be?
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