Airport Report vs Report
03-20-2023, 10:14 AM
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Airport Report vs Report
I’ve had this scenario twice in the last month;
1-2hours before report, notification of later “airport report” because of late inbound jet. Day goes terrible, reroute via ACARS, FDP based on the later airport report time.
I’ve said no on both, based on my original report time making me go over 117 limit. Crew tracking was nice enough, and the reroute was removed.
Couple questions. Is the later airport report change legit for the company to use to calc 117 time? Is there any written PWA / FAR regarding when/if this is acceptable?
1-2hours before report, notification of later “airport report” because of late inbound jet. Day goes terrible, reroute via ACARS, FDP based on the later airport report time.
I’ve said no on both, based on my original report time making me go over 117 limit. Crew tracking was nice enough, and the reroute was removed.
Couple questions. Is the later airport report change legit for the company to use to calc 117 time? Is there any written PWA / FAR regarding when/if this is acceptable?
03-20-2023, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BCan
I’ve had this scenario twice in the last month;
1-2hours before report, notification of later “airport report” because of late inbound jet. Day goes terrible, reroute via ACARS, FDP based on the later airport report time.
I’ve said no on both, based on my original report time making me go over 117 limit. Crew tracking was nice enough, and the reroute was removed.
Couple questions. Is the later airport report change legit for the company to use to calc 117 time? Is there any written PWA / FAR regarding when/if this is acceptable?
1-2hours before report, notification of later “airport report” because of late inbound jet. Day goes terrible, reroute via ACARS, FDP based on the later airport report time.
I’ve said no on both, based on my original report time making me go over 117 limit. Crew tracking was nice enough, and the reroute was removed.
Couple questions. Is the later airport report change legit for the company to use to calc 117 time? Is there any written PWA / FAR regarding when/if this is acceptable?
(SRH pg 201 Reserve Availability Period (RAP) third bullet point says "Delayed Reports for all pilots")
03-20-2023, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BCan
I’ve had this scenario twice in the last month;
1-2hours before report, notification of later “airport report” because of late inbound jet. Day goes terrible, reroute via ACARS, FDP based on the later airport report time.
I’ve said no on both, based on my original report time making me go over 117 limit. Crew tracking was nice enough, and the reroute was removed.
Couple questions. Is the later airport report change legit for the company to use to calc 117 time? Is there any written PWA / FAR regarding when/if this is acceptable?
1-2hours before report, notification of later “airport report” because of late inbound jet. Day goes terrible, reroute via ACARS, FDP based on the later airport report time.
I’ve said no on both, based on my original report time making me go over 117 limit. Crew tracking was nice enough, and the reroute was removed.
Couple questions. Is the later airport report change legit for the company to use to calc 117 time? Is there any written PWA / FAR regarding when/if this is acceptable?
03-20-2023, 06:29 PM
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Been down this rabbit hole too many times. If you are already up, awake, ready (process ongoing, but you see the path) and planning on your original airport show…..
And there has been no change prior to this “hop in the shower” (essentially- once you are up to go, you are up for your show).
Now you are awake and ready to roll. You may get crew notifications, CNO alerts, reroutes, etc. MAKE SURE your report time is correct. Scheduling may post a 5 hour delay on the flight, with a 4-5 hour later airport report. You need to call and state NO if already in motion for original report. Scheduling may tell you that you are wrong, speak with a duty pilot at that point. Ask for a supervisor if the transfer isn’t offered. If told NO, there is no need to be nasty (you literally just got delayed HOURS). Call the duty pilot. The situation likely makes complete sense to those not just focused on a pilot in a spot and will get worked out reasonably.
The word NO is something toddlers struggle to understand. For some reason we teach this word to the little minions. yet never want to hear it used. What did we learn?!
NO!
And there has been no change prior to this “hop in the shower” (essentially- once you are up to go, you are up for your show).
Now you are awake and ready to roll. You may get crew notifications, CNO alerts, reroutes, etc. MAKE SURE your report time is correct. Scheduling may post a 5 hour delay on the flight, with a 4-5 hour later airport report. You need to call and state NO if already in motion for original report. Scheduling may tell you that you are wrong, speak with a duty pilot at that point. Ask for a supervisor if the transfer isn’t offered. If told NO, there is no need to be nasty (you literally just got delayed HOURS). Call the duty pilot. The situation likely makes complete sense to those not just focused on a pilot in a spot and will get worked out reasonably.
The word NO is something toddlers struggle to understand. For some reason we teach this word to the little minions. yet never want to hear it used. What did we learn?!
NO!
03-20-2023, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by higney85
Been down this rabbit hole too many times. If you are already up, awake, ready (process ongoing, but you see the path) and planning on your original airport show…..
And there has been no change prior to this “hop in the shower” (essentially- once you are up to go, you are up for your show).
Now you are awake and ready to roll. You may get crew notifications, CNO alerts, reroutes, etc. MAKE SURE your report time is correct. Scheduling may post a 5 hour delay on the flight, with a 4-5 hour later airport report. You need to call and state NO if already in motion for original report. Scheduling may tell you that you are wrong, speak with a duty pilot at that point. Ask for a supervisor if the transfer isn’t offered. If told NO, there is no need to be nasty (you literally just got delayed HOURS). Call the duty pilot. The situation likely makes complete sense to those not just focused on a pilot in a spot and will get worked out reasonably.
The word NO is something toddlers struggle to understand. For some reason we teach this word to the little minions. yet never want to hear it used. What did we learn?!
NO!
And there has been no change prior to this “hop in the shower” (essentially- once you are up to go, you are up for your show).
Now you are awake and ready to roll. You may get crew notifications, CNO alerts, reroutes, etc. MAKE SURE your report time is correct. Scheduling may post a 5 hour delay on the flight, with a 4-5 hour later airport report. You need to call and state NO if already in motion for original report. Scheduling may tell you that you are wrong, speak with a duty pilot at that point. Ask for a supervisor if the transfer isn’t offered. If told NO, there is no need to be nasty (you literally just got delayed HOURS). Call the duty pilot. The situation likely makes complete sense to those not just focused on a pilot in a spot and will get worked out reasonably.
The word NO is something toddlers struggle to understand. For some reason we teach this word to the little minions. yet never want to hear it used. What did we learn?!
NO!
03-20-2023, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by higney85
Been down this rabbit hole too many times. If you are already up, awake, ready (process ongoing, but you see the path) and planning on your original airport show…..
And there has been no change prior to this “hop in the shower” (essentially- once you are up to go, you are up for your show).
Now you are awake and ready to roll. You may get crew notifications, CNO alerts, reroutes, etc. MAKE SURE your report time is correct. Scheduling may post a 5 hour delay on the flight, with a 4-5 hour later airport report. You need to call and state NO if already in motion for original report. Scheduling may tell you that you are wrong, speak with a duty pilot at that point. Ask for a supervisor if the transfer isn’t offered. If told NO, there is no need to be nasty (you literally just got delayed HOURS). Call the duty pilot. The situation likely makes complete sense to those not just focused on a pilot in a spot and will get worked out reasonably.
The word NO is something toddlers struggle to understand. For some reason we teach this word to the little minions. yet never want to hear it used. What did we learn?!
NO!
And there has been no change prior to this “hop in the shower” (essentially- once you are up to go, you are up for your show).
Now you are awake and ready to roll. You may get crew notifications, CNO alerts, reroutes, etc. MAKE SURE your report time is correct. Scheduling may post a 5 hour delay on the flight, with a 4-5 hour later airport report. You need to call and state NO if already in motion for original report. Scheduling may tell you that you are wrong, speak with a duty pilot at that point. Ask for a supervisor if the transfer isn’t offered. If told NO, there is no need to be nasty (you literally just got delayed HOURS). Call the duty pilot. The situation likely makes complete sense to those not just focused on a pilot in a spot and will get worked out reasonably.
The word NO is something toddlers struggle to understand. For some reason we teach this word to the little minions. yet never want to hear it used. What did we learn?!
NO!
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