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crewdawg 05-10-2023 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3634996)
Honestly we should just get rid of batch sizes.. if you don't want to be disturbed during your sleep put your phone on do not disturb or block ARCOS' number.

Ideally we'd have the technology to choose within ARCOS like "only call if less than 5 senior pilots to me eligible for trip" and it doesn't call you until this is met and adjusts in real time as senior pilots deny the trip.

But we'll never have that ability, so I say just get rid of batch sizes and manage your settings as necessary.


Keep batch sizes, just set them based on the number of pilots in category. ATL7ER probably shouldn't have the same batch size as DTW717.

Puddytatt 05-10-2023 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3634996)
Ideally we'd have the technology to choose within ARCOS like "only call if less than 5 senior pilots to me eligible for trip" and it doesn't call you until this is met and adjusts in real time as senior pilots deny the trip.

But we'll never have that ability, so I say just get rid of batch sizes and manage your settings as necessary.

So literally what the current batch size does...

m3113n1a1 05-10-2023 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Puddytatt (Post 3634999)
So literally what the current batch size does...

Yes, but the response window time starts from the first call out, so if your personal batch size is too small then you're out of luck.

Whoopsmybad 05-10-2023 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3634997)
Keep batch sizes, just set them based on the number of pilots in category. ATL7ER probably shouldn't have the same batch size as DTW717.

I think this is a better answer than no batch size. Base it on a percentage. Let’s say 100 people are eligible for the trip(s) on the call out. First call out is 25 peeps, second 25 and so forth.

FangsF15 05-10-2023 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3634996)
Honestly we should just get rid of batch sizes.. if you don't want to be disturbed during your sleep put your phone on do not disturb or block ARCOS' number.

Ideally we'd have the technology to choose within ARCOS like "only call if less than 5 senior pilots to me eligible for trip" and it doesn't call you until this is met and adjusts in real time as senior pilots deny the trip.

But we'll never have that ability, so I say just get rid of batch sizes and manage your settings as necessary.

Absolutely not. There is a reason we negotiated a LOA to start having batch sizes. It needs to be tweaked, not eliminated.

TED74 05-10-2023 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3634997)
Keep batch sizes, just set them based on the number of pilots in category. ATL7ER probably shouldn't have the same batch size as DTW717.

Or allow the company to double the batch sizes in any category with additional X day reserve manning, and triple it as long as all bid month calendar days are blue.

Optionally, remove the batch size limitations and give me an hour of pay/no credit for every green slip I accept through ARCOS but am not awarded.

If the company is going to infringe on my free time with bait and switch offers for premium pay that don’t materialize, they can pay me for that privilege.

konabear 05-10-2023 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3635008)
Absolutely not. There is a reason we negotiated a LOA to start having batch sizes. It needs to be tweaked, not eliminated.

We negotiated the batch size. Now we use it to negotiate for PSC to/from same day/next day WS/GS trips.

DWC CAP10 USAF 05-10-2023 05:11 PM

Company had three options:

a) tells network to pound sand when they try to push a schedule Flt Ops know they can't fly.

2) if not a, then staff the company to execute said schedule

d) neither a or 2

ancman 05-10-2023 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by konabear (Post 3635030)
We negotiated the batch size. Now we use it to negotiate for PSC to/from same day/next day WS/GS trips.

I agree. The current batch size limitations and penalties for violating them are leverage on our part. We’d be fools to give that back to the company for free.

Xray678 05-10-2023 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3634997)
Keep batch sizes, just set them based on the number of pilots in category. ATL7ER probably shouldn't have the same batch size as DTW717.

during the day (and we can argue about what timeframe the should be) I don’t see a downside to unlimited batch sizes. Send out a batch to the whole category. It’s better than a trip going to an IA, or worse to the ********* who calls scheduling fishing for the trip.


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