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hockeypilot44 05-24-2023 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3641058)
And when we say “the problem” we mean the company’s failure to staff categories with adequate reserves, right? If you imagine every category properly staffed with enough pilots to maintain adequate reserves for the flying we’re actually doing, there would have been hundreds more WBA and WBB positions on the last two AEs and a quarter of our airline would be sitting in more lucrative positions or at more lucrative and/or qol-enhancing seniority levels. We’d also have the ability to drop and swap on the 20th for the following month instead of hoping and praying negative reserve coverage math facilitates a swap 2 days prior to a rotation. Many more of our reserve pilots would have an extra X day. Fewer pilots would get unstacked. Fewer pilots would have to move X days. Fewer pilots would have to resort to suck leave use for schedule management.

The company is also exacerbating their own blanket GS problem with the world’s worst slip input interface. I’m not wasting an hour every month to enter precise slips because the company can’t figure out a way to make them cross bid months. And I’m not going to turn them off and on every time I have a cocktail because the company hasn’t put any effort into making that a more simple affair. I’m also not going to decline every offer I am not interested in because ARCOS won’t stay logged in, or because it often hangs up on login. And there’s no way I call scheduling unless absolutely necessary because the wait times are insane and unpredictable.

See the trend here? These are company problems, and I’m done trying to solve them.

I agree with you. I just ignore the phone calls until the day prior that I’n willing to fly. (2 days starting in June)

UGBSM 05-24-2023 01:32 PM

“…..The company is also exacerbating their own blanket GS problem with the world’s worst slip input interface.”

The PCS slip template has not changed in well over 30 years. It was made when we were running DOS on the DBMS interface that we still use underneath it all. It was and still is totally inadequate to express your preferences to pick up a trip. It is so outdated it really is laughable. Except nobody’s laughing.

Meme In Command 05-24-2023 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by UGBSM (Post 3641103)
“…..The company is also exacerbating their own blanket GS problem with the world’s worst slip input interface.”

The PCS slip template has not changed in well over 30 years. It was made when we were running DOS on the DBMS interface that we still use underneath it all. It was and still is totally inadequate to express your preferences to pick up a trip. It is so outdated it really is laughable. Except nobody’s laughing.

From a purely tech standpoint, there has to come a moment when retrofitting this dinosaur to work on modern operating systems is no longer efficient

TED74 05-24-2023 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 3641072)
So, let’s just make them worse…

The company pulled back from their initial summer flying plan. Had we tried to fix their problems a few months ago, I imagine that pull-back may not have happened. I don’t believe we can save them from themselves. They’re either going to remember they care about NPS and brand loyalty or they aren’t. They’re either going to keep paying triple for premium flying or they aren’t. They’re either going to recognize pilots don’t default to extending anymore or they aren’t. They’re either going to stop creating fatiguing rotations or they’re not. They’re either going to accept that Ops can’t meet Network’s demands or they aren’t.

Bigger batch sizes are lipstick on this pig. Thank goodness my family isn’t counting on flying anywhere they absolutely have to be this summer. Sadly I’m having to tell friends and neighbors to buffer their travels for the foreseeable future.

20Fathoms 05-24-2023 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3641109)
From a purely tech standpoint, there has to come a moment when retrofitting this dinosaur to work on modern operating systems is no longer efficient

You’d think so, although we had crews ripping paper from a dot matrix printer and taking it into their DC-9 until what like 2014? This place is literally a time capsule sometimes.

crewdawg 05-24-2023 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 3641072)
So, let’s just make them worse…


Why help when they chronically understaff (or over extend) the categories and build crap/fatiguing rotations? If they're going to continuously and flippantly utilize a portion of the contract clearly meant to be the exception, not the rule, why would guys not do the same in kind?

waldo135 05-24-2023 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3641119)
Why help when they chronically understaff (or over extend) the categories and build crap/fatiguing rotations? If they're going to continuously and flippantly utilize a portion of the contract clearly meant to be the exception, not the rule, why would guys not do the same in kind?

Didn’t say we should help, but large numbers of people putting in blanket WE and GS, when they have no intent on flying is not really a ‘company problem’. They may have created the environment, but we are making it worse.

ancman 05-24-2023 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3641119)
Why help when they chronically understaff (or over extend) the categories and build crap/fatiguing rotations? If they're going to continuously and flippantly utilize a portion of the contract clearly meant to be the exception, not the rule, why would guys not do the same in kind?

Absolutely. The company operates to the very limits of our contract as much as they desire, to the extent that we’ve had awful rotations for years now.

I keep a blanket slip in because it’s contractual, and because it’s most convenient for me. The company may not like that, but I don’t particularly care. Just as they don’t care when they push our contract to the limits in situations that benefit them.

TED74 05-24-2023 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 3641154)
They may have created the environment, but we are making it worse.

Talk through what you propose pilots do, and to what effect.

BlueSkies 05-24-2023 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 3641015)
Just to play devil’s advocate for a second…With greatly expanded batch sizes, trips would get covered much faster, less 23M7, so less guys with blanket GS in trying to get paid for violations with no chance of actually flying a GS. Also, with larger batch sizes, less chance to no chance of batch size violations, so less people putting in blanket GS just trying to get paid for those violations. And, if there was NO batch size, there would almost never be a 3AM call since trips would be covered in 30 minutes or less vs the HOURS it takes now.
I’m not advocating for no batch size limit, but increasing it has definite upsides. For those that keep claiming “we shouldn’t fix the company’s problems”, let’s be honest and admit that we (through everyone putting in a blanket GS just to try to get paid for violations) is making the problem much worse that it should be.

I beg to differ! Before we had batch size limits I got numerous ARCOS calls during 'quiet hours' (let's say midnight to 5am?) that were remarkably similar to my example scenario. I.e. the trip was many hours away and they had plenty of time to cover it by calling only one pilot at a time (the respectful thing to do), instead they called everyone at once and woke up 10-15 pilots needlessly. And again...hence why we have batch sizes.

I agree that batch sizes need to be tweaked and maybe we need dynamic limits based on how soon the trip starts. But don't think for a second that they will magically cover trips more logically without batch limits.

As to the harvesting of violations with blanket GSs, maybe if they didn't violate the batch sizes so much pilots wouldn't all have GSs in to catch those? I mean, this is a multi-billion dollar corporation right? They should be able to handle programming ARCOS to correctly follow the PWA? :o


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