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hockeypilot44 05-23-2023 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3640695)
I mean, did anyone seriously vote "yes" on the last TA chiefly hoping that AA and UA would bring up hourly wages?
I have hope United will beat us by 5 percent due to their covid LOA.

TED74 05-24-2023 03:21 AM
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3640776)
I have hope United will beat us by 5 percent due to their covid LOA.
Say a little more about this please.

FangsF15 05-24-2023 03:44 AM
Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3640695)
I mean, did anyone seriously vote "yes" on the last TA chiefly hoping that AA and UA would bring up hourly wages?
No, of course not. But that doesn’t mean it’s not righteously frustrating to have them only exactly match our rate (and the rest of our gains), and not raise the bar just a little. Their AIP looks amazingly like ours in many ways.

Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3640807)
Say a little more about this please.
UA’s VEOP-era staffing furlough-avoidance deal included an auto 5% raise when profitability returned (2 quarters?), in exchange for the 1/3 pay cut structure of that deal.

Many are expecting UA Mgmt to try to incorporate that raise into their AIP, effectively negating it. However, most pilots are expecting to get that 5% on top of the match to Delta (and now AA) rates.

TBD if UA pilots stand stronger than AA did.

WakeWash 05-24-2023 04:12 AM
Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3640709)
What is Delta’s international over ride? It’s $6.50 and $4.50 at AA. So technically the DOS 787/777 pay is $424.04 unless it’s flying domestic. Technically.
Didnt you try to say you expected the rates to exceed Delta? And when they don’t you try to throw in international override as pay? Just admit your union was weak in going for the exact Delta rates. Your groups owes DALPA dues now.

Your union or company can’t and haven’t even called this an industry leading contract. Because it’s not. It falls short of even matching what it’s trying to mimic.

Iceberg 05-24-2023 04:22 AM
Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3640709)
What is Delta’s international over ride? It’s $6.50 and $4.50 at AA. So technically the DOS 787/777 pay is $424.04 unless it’s flying domestic. Technically.
Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3640717)
Doesn't matter because it doesn’t count.
Plus, it’s the same as Delta’s international pay. So it doesn’t count or put AA ahead.

Edited to add: Before you add your next AAdvantage, Delta gets per diem too. 2.85/3.35 indexed to government M&I E.

Finessed 05-24-2023 04:23 AM
Originally Posted by WakeWash (Post 3640816)
Didnt you try to say you expected the rates to exceed Delta? And when they don’t you try to throw in international override as pay? Just admit your union was weak in going for the exact Delta rates. Your groups owes DALPA dues now.

Your union or company can’t and haven’t even called this an industry leading contract. Because it’s not. It falls short of even matching what it’s trying to mimic.
That’s why the “snap up” is stupid. Now both AA and maybe UA (If Scotty boy stops being cheap) will match our pay rates and add in some pay override so their respective pilot recruitment can claim higher wages.

Smart tactical move by APA because it’s something their management would be willing to agree to.

Whoopsmybad 05-24-2023 04:26 AM
Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3640822)
That’s why the “snap up” is stupid. Now both AA and eventually UA will match or pay rates and add in some pay override so their respective pilot recruitment can claim higher wages.

Smart tactical move by APA because it’s something their management would be willing to agree to.
honest question, did APA really do anything??
The first offer they got was from management, and it was voted down. Then their CEO said he will match us. So what did they do besides verify language?

Finessed 05-24-2023 04:31 AM
Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3640823)
honest question, did APA really do anything??
The first offer they got was from management, and it was voted down. Then their CEO said he will match us. So what did they do besides verify language?
I could care less what APA did or didn’t do, I’m just telling you the “Snap up” is worthless.

Red Forman 05-24-2023 04:31 AM
Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3640823)
honest question, did APA really do anything??
The first offer they got was from management, and it was voted down. Then their CEO said he will match us. So what did they do besides verify language?
In case you didn’t know, there is more to a contract than just pay rates.

DWC CAP10 USAF 05-24-2023 04:35 AM
Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3640825)
I could care less what APA did or didn’t do, I’m just telling you the “Snap up” is worthless.
So you care somewhat? 😜


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