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LAXtoDEN 05-24-2023 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1 (Post 3640869)
It’s pretty pitiful if aa guys have to come in here to scoff at dal over a contract that took 6 additional months to achieve the same thing dal got. Even if it exceeds it by just one item who cares. Does it truly only make you happy as long as you’re getting more than your fellow pilot. Don’t measure your success and happiness against someone else.

I don’t know if you noticed but it’s been a d*ck measuring contest starting from the sixth post. Welcome to the Delta pilot culture. It’s rare to not fly a few trips without the guy/gal randomly asking my age, when I was hired, congratulating me on being hired at such a young age, then telling me how they actually got hired at an even younger age! Wow so cool!! So that’s why you really brought that up! We love to self stroke our ego.

CBreezy 05-24-2023 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3640878)
I don’t know if you noticed but it’s been a d*ck measuring contest starting from the sixth post. Welcome to the Delta pilot culture. It’s rare to not fly a few trips without the guy/gal randomly asking my age, when I was hired, congratulating me on being hired at such a young age, then telling me how they actually got hired at an even younger age! Wow so cool!! So that’s why you really brought that up! We love to self stroke our ego.

You've just described pilots since the beginning of time

Justabusdriver1 05-24-2023 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3640878)
I don’t know if you noticed but it’s been a d*ck measuring contest starting from the sixth post. Welcome to the Delta pilot culture. It’s rare to not fly a few trips without the guy/gal randomly asking my age, when I was hired, congratulating me on being hired at such a young age, then telling me how they actually got hired at an even younger age! Wow so cool!! So that’s why you really brought that up! We love to self stroke our ego.


im happy the way the industry is going that everyone is getting massive qol improvements and pretty big pay bumps. As long as I’m happy with what I’ve got idc what the next guy has. Self worth isn’t measured by what someone else has.

this thread wasn’t start to shame aa in their contract but some of those guys are treating it as much. It was more about internal how their contract will or won’t affect dal. Yet they come here point and try to laugh at the “measly” low tier contract dal has compared to the “far superior” one aa has even yet to publish. It’s stupid.

Aa pilots should be happy for dal pilot that they have something good. That they reset the bar.

I haven’t seen any dal pilot really shaming aa guys. But they are treating it as a game of millimeters.

LAXtoDEN 05-24-2023 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3640887)
You've just described pilots since the beginning of time

True.

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JamesBond 05-24-2023 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1 (Post 3640888)
im happy the way the industry is going that everyone is getting massive qol improvements and pretty big pay bumps. As long as I’m happy with what I’ve got idc what the next guy has. Self worth isn’t measured by what someone else has.

this thread wasn’t start to shame aa in their contract but some of those guys are treating it as much. It was more about internal how their contract will or won’t affect dal. Yet they come here point and try to laugh at the “measly” low tier contract dal has compared to the “far superior” one aa has even yet to publish. It’s stupid.

Aa pilots should be happy for dal pilot that they have something good. That they reset the bar.

I haven’t seen any dal pilot really shaming aa guys. But they are treating it as a game of millimeters.

i WANT them to beat our contract. ESPECIALLY on top end pay. But since they have rarely if ever set the bar, I am not confident.

Oh, I forgot.. they set the bar with the B scale.

m3113n1a1 05-24-2023 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3640892)
i WANT them to beat our contract. ESPECIALLY on top end pay. But since they have rarely if ever set the bar, I am not confident.

Oh, I forgot.. they set the bar with the B scale.

Also, I think their raise past the amenable date is 3% that year (correct me if I'm wrong). This effectively lowers the bar for everyone that year. Now we're all probably going to get a paltry 3% raise when typically you'd expect double digit raises the first year of a new contract.

PilotJ3 05-24-2023 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3640940)
Also, I think their raise past the amenable date is 3% that year (correct me if I'm wrong). This effectively lowers the bar for everyone that year. Now we're all probably going to get a paltry 3% raise when typically you'd expect double digit raises the first year of a new contract.

IMO I concur with you. It could be good, but bad at the end.

Whoopsmybad 05-24-2023 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3640940)
Also, I think their raise past the amenable date is 3% that year (correct me if I'm wrong). This effectively lowers the bar for everyone that year. Now we're all probably going to get a paltry 3% raise when typically you'd expect double digit raises the first year of a new contract.

Let’s be honest, Effectively it’s a 5 year contract.

PilotBases 05-24-2023 09:55 AM

Apparently AA has Max10 paying same as 321neo/75/76, so that’s good news for us negotiating the Max10 rate when it arrives, no?

m3113n1a1 05-24-2023 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3640957)
Let’s be honest, Effectively it’s a 5 year contract.

This is exactly correct.
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