United CJO vs Delta CJO
06-27-2023 | 12:05 PM
#41
Roll’n Thunder
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From: Pilot
The current version of the age 67 legislation has a return-to-work entitlement. Many of Delta's VEOP's are chomping at the new pay rates (and they've forgotten what you have to live through to earn those rates). Age 67, as written, is a bigger deal than age 65 was. (I have no idea if the terms of Delta's VEOP will hold against Federal Law, but it will be tested).
All other things being equal, I'd go where that has less of an effect.
All other things being equal, I'd go where that has less of an effect.
“(1) RETROACTIVITY.—A pilot who is over 65 years of age on the date of enactment of this bill may return to service in multicrew covered operations until 67 years of age."
Basically that is saying that anyone age 65 or 66 is free to apply to and fly for part 121 carriers, NOT that airlines would be forced to reinstate retired pilots at their previous seniority and longevity.
06-27-2023 | 12:13 PM
#42
Line Holder
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06-27-2023 | 04:32 PM
#43
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From: Gear slinger
Theres plenty of job fairs fairs they can attend with the rest of folks trying to get hired. I’ve been through sims with a 64+ year old pilot learning a new jet. It was a terrible experience… pass rate from 65+ pilots returning to the line will be about 30%. If they want to endure another couple years of 4 leg days and min rest overnights, more power to them
06-27-2023 | 07:42 PM
#44
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I could be wrong but I think UA’s reasoning behind hiring a 20K+ pilot force is to take WN’s market share instead of going toe to toe with the other legacies. Also, increasing mainline flights (absorbing regionals), getting rid of RJs, and UA’s expansion in DEN.
06-27-2023 | 07:42 PM
#45
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Hey guys quick question.
Should a pilot jump ship from Spirit and go DL if the pilot does not commute to Spirit and will commute to DL, I live in Florida and would love to live here for the rest of my Days, but I have an upcoming interview with DL shortly and if awarded a CJO I want to have a clear path on what to do whether or not to jump ship.
So lets talk money difference, quality of life and, and quickest upgrade in all fleets in ATL.
Any inputs would be appreciated!!!!
Should a pilot jump ship from Spirit and go DL if the pilot does not commute to Spirit and will commute to DL, I live in Florida and would love to live here for the rest of my Days, but I have an upcoming interview with DL shortly and if awarded a CJO I want to have a clear path on what to do whether or not to jump ship.
So lets talk money difference, quality of life and, and quickest upgrade in all fleets in ATL.
Any inputs would be appreciated!!!!
06-27-2023 | 07:54 PM
#46
Leaves Biscoff crumbs
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Hey guys quick question.
Should a pilot jump ship from Spirit and go DL if the pilot does not commute to Spirit and will commute to DL, I live in Florida and would love to live here for the rest of my Days, but I have an upcoming interview with DL shortly and if awarded a CJO I want to have a clear path on what to do whether or not to jump ship.
So lets talk money difference, quality of life and, and quickest upgrade in all fleets in ATL.
Any inputs would be appreciated!!!!
Should a pilot jump ship from Spirit and go DL if the pilot does not commute to Spirit and will commute to DL, I live in Florida and would love to live here for the rest of my Days, but I have an upcoming interview with DL shortly and if awarded a CJO I want to have a clear path on what to do whether or not to jump ship.
So lets talk money difference, quality of life and, and quickest upgrade in all fleets in ATL.
Any inputs would be appreciated!!!!
06-27-2023 | 08:30 PM
#47
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I can tell you under current conditions, you'll make more money at DL in the long run. What I can't answer for you is if it's worth the commute. Some don't mind and happily do it. Others, like me, despise commuting. You have to decide if the extra time on the road and hassle is worth it to you.
06-28-2023 | 02:03 AM
#48
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Not really, but comparing pay scales our narrowbody bus scales pay more*, you have the possibility of bidding widebody which also pay more, our 401k contribution will be more, and you have the possibility of earning profit sharing.
*Assuming the APC spirit pay rates are accurate
*Assuming the APC spirit pay rates are accurate
06-28-2023 | 02:22 AM
#49
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Hey guys quick question.
Should a pilot jump ship from Spirit and go DL if the pilot does not commute to Spirit and will commute to DL, I live in Florida and would love to live here for the rest of my Days, but I have an upcoming interview with DL shortly and if awarded a CJO I want to have a clear path on what to do whether or not to jump ship.
So lets talk money difference, quality of life and, and quickest upgrade in all fleets in ATL.
Any inputs would be appreciated!!!!
Should a pilot jump ship from Spirit and go DL if the pilot does not commute to Spirit and will commute to DL, I live in Florida and would love to live here for the rest of my Days, but I have an upcoming interview with DL shortly and if awarded a CJO I want to have a clear path on what to do whether or not to jump ship.
So lets talk money difference, quality of life and, and quickest upgrade in all fleets in ATL.
Any inputs would be appreciated!!!!
06-28-2023 | 06:00 AM
#50
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Hey guys quick question.
Should a pilot jump ship from Spirit and go DL if the pilot does not commute to Spirit and will commute to DL, I live in Florida and would love to live here for the rest of my Days, but I have an upcoming interview with DL shortly and if awarded a CJO I want to have a clear path on what to do whether or not to jump ship.
So lets talk money difference, quality of life and, and quickest upgrade in all fleets in ATL.
Any inputs would be appreciated!!!!
Should a pilot jump ship from Spirit and go DL if the pilot does not commute to Spirit and will commute to DL, I live in Florida and would love to live here for the rest of my Days, but I have an upcoming interview with DL shortly and if awarded a CJO I want to have a clear path on what to do whether or not to jump ship.
So lets talk money difference, quality of life and, and quickest upgrade in all fleets in ATL.
Any inputs would be appreciated!!!!
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