higney85

well thank you, but I'll carry on the tradition of FO first choice and I'll buy the after events... walkarounds are mine as well.

Wolf424

Not all heroes wear capes

DeltaboundRedux

Someone needs to write the definitive “Emily Post” for pilots.

This is not a terrible start.

The unwritten Rules of the Pilot Road can be a bit inscrutable to the uninitiated.

Hotel Kilo

No I was never a mil pilot. You can go back an read my post history. I came up through the civilian ranks as it were. I didn't have the eysight to pass the mil flight physical back in the day. My brother retired from the Air Force. He did fly there, F-111s, then F-15Es. He has been at a major airline since retirement. I've never claimed I was a mil pilot. Having one as a brother though I do/did get some insight. Sorry if that offends you.

CBreezy

Oh..so then you have all this first hand experience to back up what you were saying earlier then. This is incredible!

Hotel Kilo

Again I never claimed I did. I do have insight though from my years in pilot hiring. There is a reason we actively recruit military trained pilots. All of our data (and we are data driven here) shows they are what I claim. Their flying is simply more demanding and as a result they have to balance risks with results with less support and more variabliity than 121. They are superior in that regard. Their airsense and situational awareness when compared to a same aged peer from the civilian track - there is no comparison. They demonstrate far superior abilities. 121 flying is pretty easy. We give you the manuals and procedures and all we ask is you fly the jet SOP. No guess work involved unless you are a "tech-cedures" type. You takeoff, cruise and land. Usually out of some straight in precision type approach. Jets autoland too. Heck they even apply the proper braking attenuation to get you to the taxi way you want to pull off the runway on. If you have a problem, you have a littany of resources at your fingertips and the backing of many subject matter experts on call to assist you no matter where you are in the world. I venture to say that, my brother called them 2 ADG - the people that plan aircraft deployments in the USAF (I could be wrong on the outfit so correct me) - do not offer the same. He spoke poorly of them. He told me a story of trying to get 2 F-15Es out of Turkey. No help from anyone. He scheduled a "FCF" flight (both planes of course) filed to the FIR, had called Moron and talked to a buddy of his at the tanker squadron there (KC-10s I believe) to have them meet at some fix outside Turkeys FIR in int'l airspace. He and his wingman took off from Turkey, flew to the FIR and just kept going west. The tanker was there and they went on to Moron and landed. Of course he was talking to his superiors back in the US at Seymour Johnson. Anyway, just an anecdote related to me that I always think about when we look at what the mil folks do compared to 121. OOfff/CBreezy, sorry. They are just not the same animal. I can form educated opinions on the matter as I have a resource that I trust. Same as you form educated opinions on subjects you post about here at APC. Yes, I don't agree with crewdawg in the 121 regard. So what? I'm I not allowed to do that? If I'm wrong, so what? It's just a forum and just my opinion on the matter.

Back to hiring and furlouging. Over last 5 years our stock price high was 61.29 (belieive that was July 2019). We are now at ~35. Most airlines stocks are stalled. Of the "Big 3" I think Delta is best positioned to weather the forthcoming economic downturn. We're still going to take a bite though. How deep it goes really depends on how much oomph the middle class has left in their discretionary spending budget. We know they are maxiing out credit now. Time will tell, be an interesting ride.

gloopy

I think we all have ample experience to know for a fact that "dual qual" at an airline is purely a cost savings measure by management to reduce pilot staffing and it absolutely does infringe on safety at least to some significant degree.

The "but the guard pilots..." arguement isn't adequatly relevant anyway. I can do 2 therefore I can do 3 (or 4?) is something we should wholeheartedly reject.

If we're ever approached with this, the "what are you willing to give up for this" question to management negotiators should be prefaced with "you're not going to be able to afford it anyway".

Nick Bradshaw

That's why Delta says they like to hire military pilots. What they're not saying is that they also like military pilots because they tend to be more mission focused, more detail and procedures oriented, less likely to question orders from commanders, and less likely to put personal inconveniences like hunger and fatigue above "the mission". Those are all qualities Delta greatly desires in a pilot. The only reason we're hiring more civillians these days is because less military pilots are available than were a decade or two ago.

Speed Select

You couldn’t be more wrong about military pilots. At least this one.

User name checks, tho… not a military pilot.

I will never agree to be dual qual at a 121 carrier, FYI. Just not safe under the current 121 training paradigm, IMO.

Back to furloughs, I hear we’re losing some very experienced talent from the second floor (the OC is on the second floor, right?). Stepping over dollars to pick up dimes.

HiFly5

Can you elaborate on how this has been proven to be ineffective?