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12-06-2023, 07:54 AM

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PilotBases

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Originally Posted by CX500T

Depends on base perhaps. Lineholder in October and called on any off day I was legal to fly save maybe 1 or 2 all month.

Yet the didnt backfill the category on the last AE...

12-06-2023, 09:36 AM

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A friend of mine on the 320 didn't get used once on reserve in October.

Which base? That's pretty suprising. Of course, it really matters how his/her reserve days were constrructed in length and day-of-week starts...

12-06-2023, 09:37 AM

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Which base? That's pretty suprising. Of course, it really matters how his/her reserve days were constrructed in length and day-of-week starts...

Atl. Mix of weekend and weekday

01-04-2024, 02:33 PM

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With the hiring being slowed down, does anyone have a valid reason why the company has chosen to do so? Is it as simple as the airplane is nearing full staffing? Or something more complex?

01-04-2024, 02:41 PM

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With the hiring being slowed down, does anyone have a valid reason why the company has chosen to do so? Is it as simple as the airplane is nearing full staffing? Or something more complex?

1,000 a year is still a ton of people

01-04-2024, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFly5

With the hiring being slowed down, does anyone have a valid reason why the company has chosen to do so? Is it as simple as the airplane is nearing full staffing? Or something more complex?

I am going to speculate it has to do with the 220 and 321 Neo Engine issues - China not recovering and global events in the Middle East... and no WB order for massive hiring. Also, a couple thousand FA's took voluntary unpaid leave since they are overstaffed for a few months

Delta plans to grow at 8% per year as well, which is healthy so this might be all they need

01-04-2024, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFly5

With the hiring being slowed down, does anyone have a valid reason why the company has chosen to do so? Is it as simple as the airplane is nearing full staffing? Or something more complex?

Probably just returning to pre Covid norms. In early 2020 We had 14.5k ish pilots and were hiring to get closer to 15.5k by end of 2020. Instead with Covid we shrunk to roughly 12.5k by summer 2021. We hired like crazy to staff the air line back to what we had pre Covid plus a little growth. Contract 2019 drove staffing requirements higher and that probably influenced keeping hiring strong through the end of 2023. Now we seem to be getting back to normal with growth and retirements. 1,100 is still a good number and should let us staff for about 45 or so net growth planes plus the 500 or so retirements we have this year (barring age 67)

01-04-2024, 03:10 PM

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With the hiring being slowed down, does anyone have a valid reason why the company has chosen to do so? Is it as simple as the airplane is nearing full staffing? Or something more complex?

They have caught up on 2000 pilots leaving early. It's also math. They need 650 to 700 pilots for growth plus retirements. You also gain jobs any time you reduce or stop hiring as instructors go back to the line.

Last edited by sailingfun; 01-04-2024 at 03:33 PM.

01-05-2024, 05:22 PM

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All the events you mentioned have nothing to do with 2000+ hires is not sustainable for our future. That will overstaff the airline. We were never going to continue to do that. Middle East, China, is not affecting us. All of our planes are being utilized and we still have markets to grow that we can't due to metal. 220 issues seem legit, 321neo issues won't be a factor for us (like other operators).

Long story short - this was always going to happen even in the best scenario. We also had a jumpstart on hiring. Our competitors will be next at hiring to attrition + moderate growth. Whoever thought this hiring boom of 2500 each legacy was going on forever, I'm sorry. But pre-covid 1100 or even 1500 (we always under promise and over deliver) would have been INSANE hiring, record levels…

01-05-2024, 05:24 PM

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Even 700 with retirements would be very small growth. My guess is they claim 1100 hires and I bet we are closer to 1500. Unless age 67 happens then it will be under 1000 hires and stuff will just move slow for a while. Or cause mass chaos if ICAO delays and then who knows what.