agreed. We screwed that up big time and it seems like flight ops has been in “press to test” mode since without any noticeable pushback by ALPA.

I understand your sentiment, but normally there IS discussion, complaining, brainstorming, and "outrage" over these topics on APC. It has been quiet and that is unusual. Hell, complaining and outrage have had threads hundreds of posts long over topics much less important than this one.

I find your comment a contradiction. We've gone from batch sizes to this . APC is fairly representative of the group - just look at polling for the TAs as an example.

I find it hard to believe that something so egregious as what is occuring is not blood in the water here. Yes, I do find it rather odd and I am curious about why.

Probably akin to a frog hopping out of boiling water, vs boiling to death in a long slow rise.

It’s not like any of this stuff hasn’t been going on for years, We were generally a jaded group already. So when it got precipitously worse in the last 8 months of the new contract, it didn’t surprise many of us.

Not defending anything, just trying to answer the valid question.

also, apc is just a playground for bullsh1t. Most folks come here to poke other people or grandstand for endorphins (Myself included). When “real” stuff is happening that is out of our control, people that have been around awhile tend to lock it up, because actually worrying about stuff you cant change is a waste of “real” time. Just like with actual politics, use your vote, and then go drink a beer and watch the sunset for one more day before you bite the bullet.

not getting paid is ridiculous, nothing i can do about it rn.

I think people have talked about the impact of this letter, maybe not on this thread, but if you're reading, it's there. We could take cues from other forums and just repeat the same saying 10,000 on pretty much every thread that pops up, that seems to get things done. LOL.

I disagree, our TA threads have gone on for miles and miles. I don't do FB or any other social, so other than our cockpit talks going acrocss the NATs, this is the only other place I have to gauge the temperature of the water on certain issues. Especialy those where our management is being openly hostile toward us. Even during furlough it wasn't this caustic. Something changed, I don't know what.

To add, there's more energy directed at Miatas and chickens than something as serious as this. Troubling for sure.

So you guys are fine with not getting paid, violations of the PWA (PS after reroute, scope etc) and a union basically sitting back and letting it happen? Our MEC Chair gave away something we spent negotiationg capital on - for nothing in return!

I called my captain rep. What I heard is basically DALPA is going to do F-all of nothing. Really. That's what our 15 minute convo boiled down to. I was speechless at the end. The apathy I see is troubling. Its like almost overnight the collective pilot group is aflicted with Stockholm Syndrome. What is the answer, collectively to the open hostitlity being demonstrated on multiple levels from our management? Sit back, wait?

Who said I was OK with that, I certainly didn't. But railing on this forum isn't going to fix anything. I too reached out to my reps and he gave me a "it's in the works." I asked for a timeline in which he was a bit vague. I also conveyed that I thought our leadership wasn't being aggresive enough and that we had better see something soon, as I've seen even people who generally drink the koolaid, turning over this e-mail. I was assured that "something is in the works," we'll see if that comes to fruition any time soon. If it doesn't it may be time for a change of leadership. But just becuase they're not on here repeating the same cry over and over again, doesn't meant every is just accepting it.

you are not the target audience of my comment. I would never expect someone of your maturity to understand