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Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3750606)

They're all playing chicken with the company thinking they'll be the ones to finally get a bypass and immediately using 11.G.7 when they realize the company is actually gonna make them train.

The smarter play is to wait until the day before you start training to exercise that provision.

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3750418)

67 ain’t happening. Even if the FAA Reauthorization Bill includes it, the individual unions at each airline can shoot it down via several mechanisms. These pro-67 guys are essentially peeing into the wind.

Dude: Are you really that dumb? Federal law trumps union contracts 3very time.

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3750418)

Just to keep this rational... federal age discrimination law would 100% prevent any company or union restrictions based on (old) age.

Only federal law (or the constitution) can supersede federal law.

If you hate 67, don't rely on your union to fix it after it passes.

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3750674)

Just to keep this rational... federal age discrimination law would 100% prevent any company or union restrictions based on (old) age.

Only federal law (or the constitution) can supersede federal.

Then how does Netjets have age 70?

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Originally Posted by Sputnik (Post 3750680)

Then how does Netjets have age 70?

because federal law specifically allows it in their case.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...ge-91k-135-ops

Dear Hon Senator Snort,

Congratulations on your 82nd birthday.

We will keep this simple. We want to pay taxes until we die.

We are offering to surrender the benefits we have earned to the good of the general Treasury. Last we saw you had spent $4 trillion that you don't have. Let our employers help you out with that.

Sincerely,

Bob
Libertarian, President, Chairman, Grand Potentiate & Captain of the Fly till we Die Committee, LLC

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Originally Posted by Sputnik (Post 3750680)

Then how does Netjets have age 70?

and so it begins :-)

Why limit it at 67?

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3750780)

and so it begins :-)

Why limit it at 67?

Indeed. Benefit from retirement age for the bulk of your career, crickets. Time to retire, fly til ya die!

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Originally Posted by Chico (Post 3750658)

Dude: Are you really that dumb? Federal law trumps union contracts 3very time.

Canada is a wonderful case study. There is no mandatory retirement age for Canadian airline pilots. However due to ICAO, some Canadian carriers have a requirement to retire at 65 and even 67. And some can fly beyond that, just not in international or U.S. airspace.

Canada has also already indicated in no uncertain terms that if the FAA increases the mandatory retirement age from 65 to 67 that U.S. pilots WILL NOT be able to fly in Canadian airspace as this would be a violation of ICAO. Sssoooo that means that airlines would have to plan around pilots/routes that encroach on Canadian airspace (DTW approaches etc). We don’t even have certainty that 65+ pilots would be able to fly to Hawaii because that is through ICAO airspace.

This whole thing is an absolute cluster ******* in the making and the pro 67 crowd knows it and are full steam ahead regardless. Unreal.

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Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3749470)

Wow, there are quite a few names on there that I didn't think would be. Most of those guys are WB As, and went through the bankruptcies. And were then responsible for ALPA leadership in the ensuing contracts that failed to get them a retirement benefit to thier liking. So the motivation makes sense. Last gasp desperate attempt.

And then there’s the 45 year old recently former MEC Chairman….