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Bucking Bar 01-16-2024 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3752802)
Yep. John McCain or Mitt Romney would destroy Biden this year I think. Even George W. Bush probably would.

Agreed, but what if rage merchants attacked a moderate Republican the way they have Biden? Liz Cheney serves as an example.

Buck Rogers 01-16-2024 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Tfork (Post 3752795)
Uh, people do believe that because it all happened. Polls have shown 60% of the republican party doesn't belive it though. Yes, it's a cult.


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3752804)
Agreed, but what if rage merchants attacked a moderate Republican the way they have Biden? Liz Cheney serves as an example.

So Republicans are cultists and the only purveryors of rage?

Thanks for your insights.

Tfork 01-16-2024 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3752810)
So Republicans are cultists and the only purveryors of rage?

Thanks for your insights.

Not precisely. The republicans who refuse to believe the facts of events which are clearly shown by the evidence. It's consistently 60% in polls.

hockeypilot44 01-16-2024 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Tfork (Post 3752817)
Not precisely. The republicans who refuse to believe the facts of events which are clearly shown by the evidence. It's consistently 60% in polls.

What evidence? The police waiving people into the capital builind?

Tfork 01-16-2024 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3752826)
What evidence? The police waiving people into the capital builind?

And the polls had nothing to do with that, but you knew that already.

Tfork 01-16-2024 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3752826)
What evidence? The police waiving people into the capital builind?

I'm sure that's all you saw of that day. It was just a peaceful demonstration. Just a bunch of law abiding citizens, right?

JamesBond 01-16-2024 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3752753)
Of course, it is endemic.

I don't watch the news (haven't had a cable subscription since the 1990's) but masks (and condoms) have been around. These are about the simplest tools that exist.

The condom simile works. My howitzer is blazing and there are zillions of wanna-be Bucking Bar babies, but the spread is nearly eliminated.

Yeah, that's the visual ... :-)

no it doesn't, the comparison is ludicrous. Wearing a Walmart bag over your face would be a better one. Or using a knit sock for a condom.

JamesBond 01-16-2024 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3752804)
Agreed, but what if rage merchants attacked a moderate Republican the way they have Biden? Liz Cheney serves as an example.

Wow. That's hilarious.

gloopy 01-16-2024 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3752740)
Well no, it has not.

You can't possibly think what's happening now is blind lady justice going where the evidence leads. As the "big guy" says, "come on, man!" Its been weaponized and politicized and you're so "blue no matter who" you're OK with it. Fair enough, but at least admit it.

Selective enforcement is the worst kind of corruption because it attempts to mask itself in the air of legitimacy.

What if you were secretly followed and suddenly got a year's worth of speeding tickets for every individual instance you went 1 or more over? You'd probably owe a billion dollars and have infinity points on your licence but hey, the law's the law, right?

Care to sit for a 16 hour purgery trap while your political enemy's agents who personally hate you and have already looked at your entire life's emails and only need you to stumble one time with any inconsistency whatsoever and boom 5+ year felony...but you'd totally sit for that because you're clean and have nothing to hide I'm sure.

And you don't get to erase history simply by using the word trope. Beria was infamous for selective prosecution. He coined the term "show me the man and I'll show you the crime." I knew of him historically before I'd ever heard of Bannon so nice try but another swing and a miss, and an ad homenim at that. I expect better from you.

SideStickMonkey 01-16-2024 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3752826)
What evidence? The police waiving people into the capital builind?

Lol, guess all those people going to jail for being “waved in” are just crisis actors playing the part :rolleyes:

Tfork 01-16-2024 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by Tfork (Post 3752829)
And the polls had nothing to do with that, but you knew that already.

I think Hockey's original post was deleted so it quoted the wrong post...sorry for any confusion.

Bucking Bar 01-16-2024 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3752904)
You can't possibly think what's happening now is blind lady justice going where the evidence leads.

Articles were posted with statements from Trump's own administration attesting to the legitimacy of the efforts. Are you just going to ignore Trump's own Attorney General?

Grand Juries by our citizens have produced indictments. Again, are you just going to brush aside the system and process we use to gain justice?

A jury found that Trump did commit sexual abuse (defined as rape) in most states. Again, do you just completely disregard that finding?

Your point seems to be that everyone commits crime, so crime is fine. I do not agree. I bet neither of us think it fine to walk up and grab a woman by her crotch. I'd bet you and I both pay our bills. Neither of us has probably ever raised money for charity and kept it.

I think crime is bad and not prosecuting crime is corrosive to our society. At some point, non-prosecution results in stores leaving San Francisco because thieve know they can get away with it. The city will collapse without law and order.

I'm not a fan of Fani Willis' style, but Fulton County is correct to prosecute election interference and attempted fraud at this level.

Other prosecutors have gone through great pains to separate politics and prosecution.

Some agencies have candidly stated that they have not prosecuted Trump because he is well-funded and extremely litigious.

I do not think it fair that the US IRS would prosecute you or me because we pretty easy targets. Meanwhile, billionaires brag from their perches on golden toilets that they do not pay taxes. That is the kind of rot that destroys the unity we need in our nation.

Every citizen the same; lock up the Jan 6'ers with the BLM rioters.

nene 01-16-2024 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3753078)
Articles were posted with statements from Trump's own administration attesting to the legitimacy of the efforts. Are you just going to ignore Trump's own Attorney General?

Grand Juries by our citizens have produced indictments. Again, are you just going to brush aside the system and process we use to gain justice?

A jury found that Trump did commit sexual abuse (defined as rape) in most states. Again, do you just completely disregard that finding?

Your point seems to be that everyone commits crime, so crime is fine. I do not agree. I bet neither of us think it fine to walk up and grab a woman by her crotch. I'd bet you and I both pay our bills. Neither of us has probably ever raised money for charity and kept it.

I think crime is bad and not prosecuting crime is corrosive to our society. At some point, non-prosecution results in stores leaving San Francisco because thieve know they can get away with it. The city will collapse without law and order.

I'm not a fan of Fani Willis' style, but Fulton County is correct to prosecute election interference and attempted fraud at this level.

Other prosecutors have gone through great pains to separate politics and prosecution.

Some agencies have candidly stated that they have not prosecuted Trump because he is well-funded and extremely litigious.

I do not think it fair that the US IRS would prosecute you or me because we pretty easy targets. Meanwhile, billionaires brag from their perches on golden toilets that they do not pay taxes. That is the kind of rot that destroys the unity we need in our nation.

Every citizen the same; lock up the Jan 6'ers with the BLM rioters.

I'm just casually interested if you find Hunter/Big Guy's dealings in Ukraine, China and elsewhere above reproach. IF you are all for holding all parties responsible for all deeds, then it's easier to get onboard, but lately it seems only one side of the aisle is continuously persecuted.

Something tells me that if Trump were to keel over tomorrow and Vivek, or Desantis were to assume the conservative focus points in this contry, they'd soon become the targets of multiple "investigations" and painted as both the devil reincarnated/imbicilish by the non "basket of deplorables" as they "cling to their guns and religion".

Bucking Bar 01-16-2024 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3752904)
And you don't get to erase history simply by using the word trope. Beria was infamous for selective prosecution. He coined the term "show me the man and I'll show you the crime." I knew of him historically before I'd ever heard of Bannon so nice try but another swing and a miss, and an ad homenim at that. I expect better from you.

Then you know exactly what Trump has threatened to do to political opponents.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...mmunity-2024-1

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ame-plan-alarm

and he has been in court stating he could kill citizens and opponents and be immune from prosecution

https://thehill.com/regulation/court...tial-immunity/

I thought you might find the Steve Bannon connection handy. Not sure what kind of snowflake would take that personally. Heck, I'll own it. ... Bannon explains Trump's 2am (is a tweet from the toilet a ****-post?) Stalinist missives better than Trump does. I guess that the tweets were Trump's take on whatever Bannon was putting in his ear.

nene 01-16-2024 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3753105)
Then you know exactly what Trump has threatened to do to political opponents.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...mmunity-2024-1

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ame-plan-alarm

and he has been in court stating he could kill citizens and opponents and be immune from prosecution

https://thehill.com/regulation/court...tial-immunity/

I thought you might find the Steve Bannon connection handy. Not sure what kind of snowflake would take that personally. Heck, I'll own it. ... Bannon explains Trump's 2am (is a tweet from the toilet a ****-post?) Stalinist missives better than Trump does. I guess that the tweets were Trump's take on whatever Bannon was putting in his ear.

It's been said a million times, Liberals take Trump LITERALLY, Conservatives take Trump FIGURATIVELY. That is why both sides can't agree on his successes or failures.

When Trump says he's "gonna build the wall and have Mexico pay for it"
Conservatives hear he's gonna enforce immigration laws and bring Mexico into helping stem the flow. Liberals actually think he's gonna complete 1000miles of fencing and send an invoice to Mexico City.

ReluctantEskimo 01-16-2024 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3753109)
It's been said a million times, Liberals take Trump LITERALLY, Conservatives take Trump FIGURATIVELY. That is why both sides can't agree on his successes or failures.

When Trump says he's "gonna build the wall and have Mexico pay for it"
Conservatives hear he's gonna enforce immigration laws and bring Mexico into helping stem the flow. Liberals actually think he's gonna complete 1000miles of fencing and send an invoice to Mexico City.

One thing I've realized... "He was just joking.. until he isn't."

And that sad part is that cultists are cool with it either way.

Meme In Command 01-16-2024 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3753109)
It's been said a million times, Liberals take Trump LITERALLY, Conservatives take Trump FIGURATIVELY. That is why both sides can't agree on his successes or failures.

When Trump says he's "gonna build the wall and have Mexico pay for it"
Conservatives hear he's gonna enforce immigration laws and bring Mexico into helping stem the flow. Liberals actually think he's gonna complete 1000miles of fencing and send an invoice to Mexico City.

Man, if we had just taken General Powell figuratively when he testified about Iraq having WMD's. 20 years in the sandbox down the drain for nothin am I right?!

Someone go back in time and tell Stalin that Hitler's non aggression pact was to be taken figuratively!

SideStickMonkey 01-16-2024 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3753109)
It's been said a million times, Liberals take Trump LITERALLY, Conservatives take Trump FIGURATIVELY. That is why both sides can't agree on his successes or failures.

When Trump says he's "gonna build the wall and have Mexico pay for it"
Conservatives hear he's gonna enforce immigration laws and bring Mexico into helping stem the flow. Liberals actually think he's gonna complete 1000miles of fencing and send an invoice to Mexico City.

So that's why Trump tried to actually build the wall, right? Because it was just figurative.

gloopy 01-16-2024 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3753078)
Grand Juries by our citizens have produced indictments. Again, are you just going to brush aside the system and process we use to gain justice?

So when (its now a when not an if) some partisan red state/district DA in a ruby red area of blue haters does the same thing, you'll treat those obviously political attacks as blind lady justice dutifuly going where the evidence leads with no favor or malice?

No one is brushing aside the system and process; its being called out for being grossly weaponized in a way that would make Stalin or the CCP blush. It is absolutly no longer legitimate, but might makes right, doesn't it.

gloopy 01-16-2024 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3753105)

and he has been in court stating he could kill citizens and opponents and be immune from prosecution
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Even Tim Pool called out that modern leftis "journalism"...trope...as radically out of context. There is a such thing as presidential immunity and there is a way around it which would be the impeachment (and conviction) process. That was the arguement and it was made on behalf of the office itself and its not new or novel. If you really fancy him a murdering dictator, why didn't he issue this alleged fake order when his WH was sacked by such a massive violent presence his protective detail enacted security protocols to go to the bunker...which the cowardly drive by left wing press then started mocking him as "bunker boy"...could you imagine a so caled "right wing" presence of equal intensity that caused the same protocols for a leftist pres? It would be wall to wall coverage for years until every single one was hunted down and jailed in solitary without charges for years. Ask us how we know. And since we're on the subject of extra-judicial executions, I'm sure you would have supported 44's impeachment (and prosecution) for his ordered drone strikes against American citizens just to be super consistent.[/size]

Red Forman 01-16-2024 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3752763)
Because the Republican Party has become a cult

Then the democrat party is whatever is worse than a cult.

Red Forman 01-16-2024 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3753104)
I'm just casually interested if you find Hunter/Big Guy's dealings in Ukraine, China and elsewhere above reproach. IF you are all for holding all parties responsible for all deeds, then it's easier to get onboard, but lately it seems only one side of the aisle is continuously persecuted.

Something tells me that if Trump were to keel over tomorrow and Vivek, or Desantis were to assume the conservative focus points in this contry, they'd soon become the targets of multiple "investigations" and painted as both the devil reincarnated/imbicilish by the non "basket of deplorables" as they "cling to their guns and religion".

You won't get an answer to this.

SideStickMonkey 01-16-2024 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 3753238)
Then the democrat party is whatever is worse than a cult.

Cool, who do we worship?

See many Biden flags flying?

Bucking Bar 01-16-2024 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3753104)
I'm just casually interested if you find Hunter/Big Guy's dealings in Ukraine, China and elsewhere above reproach. IF you are all for holding all parties responsible for all deeds, then it's easier to get onboard, but lately it seems only one side of the aisle is continuously persecuted.

Something tells me that if Trump were to keel over tomorrow and Vivek, or Desantis were to assume the conservative focus points in this contry, they'd soon become the targets of multiple "investigations" and painted as both the devil reincarnated/imbicilish by the non "basket of deplorables" as they "cling to their guns and religion".

After Hunter's side rejected his plea deal due to lack of assurances from the DOJ a lot more came out. Yes; to the full extent Hunter broke the law, he should be prosecuted. (Ironically the gun possession crime he was charged with was signed into law by his father and he is the only person ever prosecuted for such possession) He paid back his taxes, but apparently, that doesn't cure the charge.

CBreezy 01-16-2024 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 3753242)
You won't get an answer to this.

​​​​​​I'll answer it. If Joe or Hunter broke the law, they should be prosecuted. Would you be willing to look into the business dealings of Jared, Ivanka and Donald? Didn't Ivanka sign a business deal with China (oh no, the evil Chinese) and Jared in the middle east after being THE guy there?
​​​​​​

Whoopsmybad 01-16-2024 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3753273)
​​​​​​I'll answer it. If Joe or Hunter broke the law, they should be prosecuted. Would you be willing to look into the business dealings of Jared, Ivanka and Donald? Didn't Ivanka sign a business deal with China (oh no, the evil Chinese) and Jared in the middle east after being THE guy there?
​​​​​​

Absolutely, get them all. Until we take them all down nothing will ever change.

SideStickMonkey 01-16-2024 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3753273)
​​​​​​I'll answer it. If Joe or Hunter broke the law, they should be prosecuted. Would you be willing to look into the business dealings of Jared, Ivanka and Donald? Didn't Ivanka sign a business deal with China (oh no, the evil Chinese) and Jared in the middle east after being THE guy there?
​​​​​​

Absolutely…

JamesBond 01-16-2024 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3752907)
Lol, guess all those people going to jail for being “waved in” are just crisis actors playing the part :rolleyes:

No, they are political prisoners.

JamesBond 01-16-2024 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3753167)
So that's why Trump tried to actually build the wall, right? Because it was just figurative.

And had we spent the money, it would have saved BILLIONS versus what we have spent with the disaster that Brandon has levied on us at the border. Surely you don't think that demented idiot is doing a good job.

JamesBond 01-16-2024 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3753104)
I'm just casually interested if you find Hunter/Big Guy's dealings in Ukraine, China and elsewhere above reproach. IF you are all for holding all parties responsible for all deeds, then it's easier to get onboard, but lately it seems only one side of the aisle is continuously persecuted.

Something tells me that if Trump were to keel over tomorrow and Vivek, or Desantis were to assume the conservative focus points in this contry, they'd soon become the targets of multiple "investigations" and painted as both the devil reincarnated/imbicilish by the non "basket of deplorables" as they "cling to their guns and religion".

Without any shadow of a doubt.

CBreezy 01-16-2024 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3753318)
Without any shadow of a doubt.

You want to see where this came from, look nowhere but the mirror.

Meme In Command 01-16-2024 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3753104)
I'm just casually interested if you find Hunter/Big Guy's dealings in Ukraine, China and elsewhere above reproach. IF you are all for holding all parties responsible for all deeds, then it's easier to get onboard, but lately it seems only one side of the aisle is continuously persecuted.

Something tells me that if Trump were to keel over tomorrow and Vivek, or Desantis were to assume the conservative focus points in this contry, they'd soon become the targets of multiple "investigations" and painted as both the devil reincarnated/imbicilish by the non "basket of deplorables" as they "cling to their guns and religion".

Lol not even close


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