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Nick Bradshaw 01-14-2024 09:41 AM

Congrats, we're the new Bud Light
 
Looks like they finally took the DEI nonsense too far. Already talk of boycotts. Comments on Delta's social media feeds sure are ugly today.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1745844894239752349/photo/
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Bad news for Delta. Are we about to become the next Bud Light?

OOfff 01-14-2024 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw (Post 3751591)
Looks like they finally took the DEI nonsense too far. Already talk of boycotts. Comments on Delta's social media feeds sure are ugly today.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1745844894239752349/photo/
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Bad news for Delta. Are we about to become the next Bud Light?


shockingly, ABinbev has recovered as the stupid rage has been forgotten.

https://i.ibb.co/vck90r2/IMG-5956.jpg

notEnuf 01-14-2024 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw (Post 3751591)
Looks like they finally took the DEI nonsense too far. Already talk of boycotts. Comments on Delta's social media feeds sure are ugly today.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1745844894239752349/photo/
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Bad news for Delta. Are we about to become the next Bud Light?

How do we know that's a pic of a Delta com? And who cares about this guy anyway?

OOfff 01-14-2024 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3751600)
How do we know that's a pic of a Delta com? And who cares about this guy anyway?

Look at that Twitter history. It’s just a rage bait account. It’s meaningless

2StgTurbine 01-14-2024 09:58 AM

Bud Light's typical customer is a very different demographic than Delta's. We fly relatively wealthy people from one major city to another. High-income earners in urban locations (yes, even in the south) are generally more accepting of left-leaning political beliefs. And they are far less likely to follow right-wing fear-mongering twitter feeds or watch Fox News, so odds are most won't see that tweet. And if they do, they might be like me and not care enough to find out if it's even accurate or made up.

notEnuf 01-14-2024 10:03 AM

I actually found the document on Deltanet. This is a complete misrepresentaion of the guidance.

"communications teams follow the AP standard of lowercasing "white," similar to brown, in formal communications"

LAXtoDEN 01-14-2024 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3751595)
shockingly, ABinbev has recovered as the stupid rage has been forgotten.

https://i.ibb.co/vck90r2/IMG-5956.jpg

$395 million in lost US sales is a recovery? Competition saw 50% sale increases in the same Beer category is a recovery? CEO claiming, listen to this, 40% of drinkers who boycotted Bud Light might be coming back is a recovery? That’s a hilariously sad claim to brag about to investors. But yeah sure the stock down almost 40% in 5 years has recovered and everyone has forgotten lmao.

CBreezy 01-14-2024 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3751619)
$395 million in lost US sales is a recovery? Competition saw 50% sale increases in the same Beer category is a recovery? CEO claiming, listen to this, 40% of drinkers who boycotted Bud Light might be coming back is a recovery? That’s a hilariously sad claim to brag about to investors. But yeah sure the stock down almost 40% in 5 years has recovered and everyone has forgotten lmao.

Except Bud Lights key demo was the exact crowd they insulted by doubling down on the "frat" comment. The brand has been in free fall for half a decade anyway. For the record, this fiasco alienated both the left and the right. Most people were switching to beer alternatives anyways. This just posted it over the edge.

Delta's key demo is not the anti-cancel culture cancel culture low IQ crowd. Delta has put out BLM pins and sponsored pride parades and they are still a very strong and profitable brand. The dummies on Twitter would love to have fake influence but it'll be old news in a few weeks

GogglesPisano 01-14-2024 10:42 AM

Why would it be appropriate to menton race in internal correspondence to begin with?

OOfff 01-14-2024 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3751631)
Why would it be appropriate to menton race in internal correspondence to begin with?

marketing team dealing with sales demographics and strategies, compliance documents, HR complaint reports, and probably dozens of other reasons in a corporation this size

Khantahr 01-14-2024 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3751611)
I actually found the document on Deltanet. This is a complete misrepresentaion of the guidance.

"communications teams follow the AP standard of lowercasing "white," similar to brown, in formal communications"

I also found it. It's not at all what the tweet claims, but then that doesn't make for good outrage.

notEnuf 01-14-2024 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3751631)
Why would it be appropriate to menton race in internal correspondence to begin with?

I have no idea but now I know I'm not right handed, but rather my left hand is under represented in manually dexterous tasks.

interceptorpilo 01-14-2024 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 3751638)
I also found it. It's not at all what the tweet claims, but then that doesn't make for good outrage.

I found it too. The document does say to capitalize Black but not brown or white. The style note does not have that reference, however. Either the “X” poster faked it or Delta changed it. It looks pretty legitimate based on the style note I found as in same type face, graphics etc. would be pretty easy to fake if you had the original document.

Khantahr 01-14-2024 11:22 AM

It also says why. Essentially, "Black" is a proper noun, "brown" and "white" aren't.

Red Forman 01-14-2024 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3751619)
$395 million in lost US sales is a recovery? Competition saw 50% sale increases in the same Beer category is a recovery? CEO claiming, listen to this, 40% of drinkers who boycotted Bud Light might be coming back is a recovery? That’s a hilariously sad claim to brag about to investors. But yeah sure the stock down almost 40% in 5 years has recovered and everyone has forgotten lmao.

They don't even sell it at the big stores around where I live anymore.

hockeypilot44 01-14-2024 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3751595)
shockingly, ABinbev has recovered as the stupid rage has been forgotten.

https://i.ibb.co/vck90r2/IMG-5956.jpg

Bud Light has not recovered. The stock price might have but sales are still way down. It is still mocked as the trans beer at bars. Hardly anyone orders it anymore. Walk down Broadway street in Nashville. You won’t see anyone drinking it.

CBreezy 01-14-2024 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3751668)
Bud Light has not recovered. The stock price might have but sales are still way down. It is still mocked as the trans beer at bars. Hardly anyone orders it anymore. Walk down Broadway street in Nashville. You won’t see anyone drinking it.

Didn't you know? If you drink Bud Light, you become trans. Scary times

interceptorpilo 01-14-2024 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 3751662)
It also says why. Essentially, "Black" is a proper noun, "brown" and "white" aren't.

I don’t have a problem with capitalizing or not capitalizing but I don’t see in the document a reference to it being a proper noun but rather a formal ethnicity and thus the capitalization.

Meme In Command 01-14-2024 11:39 AM

Man, I really grew up listening to you guys tell me not to believe everything you see in the Internet and....well...here we are

notEnuf 01-14-2024 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3751668)
Bud Light has not recovered. The stock price might have but sales are still way down. It is still mocked as the trans beer at bars. Hardly anyone orders it anymore. Walk down Broadway street in Nashville. You won’t see anyone drinking it.

What made me laugh is that they do serve it at Kid Rock's Big Ass Honky Tonk and Steakhouse and never stopped, along with Bud Light Lime. https://www.kidrockshonkytonkandsteakhouse.com/menu

now... https://www.thestreet.com/restaurant...ud-light-claim

before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRVwoRhsHb0

CBreezy 01-14-2024 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3751678)
What made me laugh is that they do serve it at Kid Rock's Big Ass Honky Tonk and Steakhouse, along with Bud Light Lime.

And Kid Rock was drinking it recently. People are so stupid

Extenda 01-14-2024 11:58 AM

Always boggles my mind to see the stuff that gets 40-60 year old American millionaires riled up.

I can’t imagine what it’s like to be hooked up to an IV bag of Internet/cable news rage bait 24/7. Must be exhausting at least.

nene 01-14-2024 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3751678)
What made me laugh is that they do serve it at Kid Rock's Big Ass Honky Tonk and Steakhouse and never stopped, along with Bud Light Lime. https://www.kidrockshonkytonkandsteakhouse.com/menu

now... https://www.thestreet.com/restaurant...ud-light-claim

before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRVwoRhsHb0

This is 'Merica....at the end of the day $$$$$$$ talks, the rest is just distraction. Kid Rock's bar has more free publicity over this whole event than could be bought.

I didn't drink the stuff anyway, but when AB directly insulted their primary customers in their double down, thats where you wonder if the ideaology momentarily distracted the primary objective of selling beer. They fired those marketing VP's but if your gonna go after your own customer base so directly, you'd think you might clear that with the CEO first.

JamesBond 01-14-2024 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 3751688)
Always boggles my mind to see the stuff that gets 40-60 year old American millionaires riled up.

I can’t imagine what it’s like to be hooked up to an IV bag of Internet/cable news rage bait 24/7. Must be exhausting at least.

Meh... Everybody has a push button issue or two. Social media has made small things way more visible than they used to be. I'm not interested in your sex life. I'm not interested in how you 'feel' about things one way or another. But here we are, having it force fed to us 24/7/365. That's really a big part of the division in the country today.

And I am not talking about 'you'.

hockeypilot44 01-14-2024 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3751670)
Didn't you know? If you drink Bud Light, you become trans. Scary times

disregard.

170Till5 01-14-2024 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw (Post 3751591)
Looks like they finally took the DEI nonsense too far. Already talk of boycotts. Comments on Delta's social media feeds sure are ugly today.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1745844894239752349/photo/
1

Bad news for Delta. Are we about to become the next Bud Light?

So can we stop wearing our hats now?

Planetrain 01-14-2024 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by 170Till5 (Post 3751701)
So can we stop wearing our hats now?

What would Brady do?

GrossNavError 01-14-2024 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by 170Till5 (Post 3751701)
So can we stop wearing our hats now?

Thats the only good thing about being an AAhole, no hats.

JamesBond 01-14-2024 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3751684)
And Kid Rock was drinking it recently. People are so stupid

and............?

You and Kid Rock can drink all the BL you want. Peyton Manning drinks it... well he shills for it anyway... Nobody cares. Before the Dylan fiasco the only time BL was ever anywhere ner my mouth was at tailgates because you can drink it practically all day in the heat and not get messed up. I don't know anybody that drank it for the flavor. But that campaign was offensive, and everybody I know won't touch it now because of that. Consequences of poor choices Ms BL executive lady. But what you are doing with your 'drinking BL will turn you trans' is virtue signaling to which I say.... LOL

2StgTurbine 01-14-2024 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3751712)
But that campaign was offensive...

I cant't believe people can be so sensitive. What exactly was so offensive?

Hotel Kilo 01-14-2024 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3751684)
And Kid Rock was drinking it recently. People are so stupid

KR did an interview recently and explained why he's back with BL. He said he disagreed with their stance. But he's willing to forgive and forget. And maybe they gave him some serious $$$$ to maybe come back over :) IDK, I only watched part fo the interview, but it seems he was happy with how they figured out they made a mistake and were willing to correct it somewhat. Not all is as it appears.

Hotel Kilo 01-14-2024 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by 170Till5 (Post 3751701)
So can we stop wearing our hats now?

Ok, if you're trolling for me I'll bite. Yeah, still not sporting the dome of obedience. I really like getting the stink eye from the ATL crowd though, so as long as I'm triggering them I'll continue sans hat. Going on 4 years now. It's liberating. You should try it. I doffed the horse blanket as well. NF all the way. We originate and fly to some locales where the horse blanket just doesn't cut it. And when I'm doing the walk around in the snow storm, yeah it works great! (I still do walkarounds for the FOs on the return leg. Relief gives me a strange look, but I must admit I like walking around the big jet, keeps me grounded plus they have all the trading cards so I give them a chance to interface with the D1 and HVC's when I've escaped outside).

OOfff 01-14-2024 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 3751716)
I cant't believe people can be so sensitive. What exactly was so offensive?

This won’t be answered

ancman 01-14-2024 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by GrossNavError (Post 3751711)
Thats the only good thing about being an AAhole, no hats.

We’d be hatless as well if most of our pilot group didn’t race to put them back on to “uphold our end of the deal” after the new contract was signed. Nevermind the fact that the contract hasn’t been fully implemented, nor is management adhering to all of the sections that are.

We’re our own worst enemy when it comes to hats.

Hotel Kilo 01-14-2024 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3751738)
We’d be hatless as well if most of our pilot group didn’t race to put them back on to “uphold our end of the deal” after the new contract was signed. Nevermind the fact that the contract hasn’t been fully implemented, nor is management adhering to all of the sections that are.

We’re our own worst enemy when it comes to hats.

Preach brother ancman!!

20Fathoms 01-14-2024 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3751737)
This won’t be answered

Challenge accepted :D

I’m not personally offended by it though I do think it’s a bit silly if legit. I imagine the offensive part is relegating one race to “lower case” while another is “upper case.” Optics and all.

Serious question: would it be offensive if white was upper case while black was lower case?

Agree it’s a silly thing to get wound up about though. My kids are mixed race, so what would they be? I’m hoping for cursive.

CBreezy 01-14-2024 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by 20Fathoms (Post 3751767)
Challenge accepted :D

I’m not personally offended by it though I do think it’s a bit silly if legit. I imagine the offensive part is relegating one race to “lower case” while another is “upper case.” Optics and all.

Serious question: would it be offensive if white was upper case while black was lower case?

Agree it’s a silly thing to get wound up about though. My kids are mixed race, so what would they be? I’m hoping for cursive.

From what someone posted regarding Black vs lowercase brown and white. I believe technically white people are referred to as Caucasian which would be capitalized. I believe African-American is no longer the preferred identifier.

Hotel Kilo 01-14-2024 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3751773)
From what someone posted regarding Black vs lowercase brown and white. I believe technically white people are referred to as Caucasian which would be capitalized. I believe African-American is no longer the preferred identifier.

In 1984 that's what they wanted to be referred to as "African-American". Why the change? See that's what gets me about this whole thing.

“Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.”

“Let no man pull you so low as to hate him.”

“We must come to see that the end we seek is a society at peace with itself, a society that can live with its conscience.”

“If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as a Michaelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, 'Here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well.”

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

My how far we have drifted. I'll just leave it at that.

Whoopsmybad 01-14-2024 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3751737)
This won’t be answered

Most offensive thing to me in this mess is that I don’t want my beer/bourbon/sports/etc… to be political. Left, right, whatever. Just be beer. Just play a game. Let me enjoy not being pushed by both sides to be decisive for just a little bit of time.

JamesBond 01-14-2024 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3751737)
This won’t be answered

Why does it have to be? It offended me. That's all you or anyone else needs to know. And it doesn't matter anyway, because all my answer would do is give you ammo to virtue signal. The thing that DOES matter is that BL sales are still in the tank. Apparently a lot of other people were offended as well. If ImBev doesn't care, that's fine as well, (but I'll bet they do). And just like Nike, I will never spend another dime on either product and that's all I need to justify. I couldn't care less what kind of beer you drink or what shoes you wear. You do you.


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