neodd

I suspect this is happening frequently. Have a few examples myself that I've sent to the company and to ACE.

Waiting for a specific callout, it never comes. Check coverage, wasn't covered. Check rotation info, trip NOOP. Somehow trip departs on time... Wait a few days, check 23M7 publication, trip isn't listed. No pilot pay protected for coverage deviation.

The 23M7 list is suspiciously short.

We negotiate away batch sizes, get 23M7 accountability which doesn't actually happen? And aren't they supposed to call the union or something each time?

Please send these to company and ACE for accountability.

waldo135

Any chance it was covered with a RR?

ancman

Yup. The one, near-worthless quid that we received in exchange for saving the company millions in coverage costs, and the company doesn’t even consistently honor it.

Did you pull up the pilot names on the legs in the no-oped rotation? That will give you a better idea of how they covered it.

neodd

Almost certainly covered by a RR. But they’re supposed to identify and pay a pilot per 23M7 and document it. If the documentation doesn’t happen then I doubt the rest does.

All 5 Stages

As others have posted, somewhat sarcastically: we gave the company unlimited batch sizes and, in return, the company promised to keep the promises it had promised.

A5S

crewdawg

Lol right. Even the former head of the scheduling committee posted on FB that there isn't a way to audit whether any list they provide to be audited. If true, we're truly counting on the honor system here. Based on the last few interations with scheduling, they seem to not know the contract all that well and worse, in some cases, they're convinced they're right when it's clear they are wrong. Forgive me if I don't trust their promises. Whatever it is received for that give, it's nowhere near enough.

TED74

Except you have to remember some significant percentage of Delta pilots didn’t want batch limitations. Without data, I have no idea what percentage…but there was plenty of vocal distain for the speed of the coverage process under the old batch limitations. Those folks would say unlimited batches weren’t a give whatsoever - not simply that the give was too large a quid. For what I assume are mostly commuters, the batch change enables more folks to have time to get into position for GS.

All 5 Stages

Well, for argument's sake, ANY increase in batch size would have enabled more commuters to get into position.

There is a sweet spot that gives the company cost savings, yet still results in earlier coverage ladder sequence for commuters without resorting to the chaotic IA process or the nuclear 23.M.7. ... not to mention the annoying ARCOS call-outs, which is a significant reason we negotiated batch size limits in the first place. Maybe that sweet spot is 15, or 20, or 25? Who knows. We may never know now.

What's frustrating is that DALPA didn't even try to negotiate a happy medium between the previously negotiated batch sizes and the current Unlimited. We just tossed the Miata keys to the company and said, "Here enjoy the $$ millions in cost savings. Please keep your promises, and report back to us how well you are keeping your promises."

A5S

interceptorpilo

THIS!!! WTF ALPA? I am usually an ALPA supporter but this was a huge fail.

ancman

To us, slow coverage meant vocal disdain among a few. To the company, it meant millions of dollars. The deal was an absolute failure in terms of the amount of leverage we gave up in return for a comparatively worthless quid.

And for what it’s worth, I’m a commuter and strongly preferred smaller batch sizes.