Nor’easter and commuting
02-13-2024, 08:43 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by beernutt
In the past decade or so regional airlines have been/are desperate to attract and retain pilots. Major airlines not so much, hence absurdly low hiring standards and financial incentives are more prevalent at the regionals.
02-13-2024, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
Are you serious?
One of the best parts of this job is being able to live where you want. Part of living where you want is being at work on time, your responsibility. It’s not that hard.
One of the best parts of this job is being able to live where you want. Part of living where you want is being at work on time, your responsibility. It’s not that hard.
02-13-2024, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
That doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to make commuting more tolerable. Delta already holds a ton of rooms in hubs that go unused.
I have noticed during my time at DAL there is a reluctance to meaningfully improve reserve or commuter life. I think it's because our mentality has always been either 'pay your dues, junior' or 'commuting is a choice, why don't you live in PTC'. Hopefully that's fading a little bit.
02-13-2024, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by beernutt
As a lifelong commuter I agree. But saying 'this is how it's done at xxx' when xxx isn't really relevant doesn't help move the ball. I'm not sure if our real peers (UAL, AA, maybe SWA) have provisions like this but if they do that's leverage for us to get the same.
I have noticed during my time at DAL there is a reluctance to meaningfully improve reserve or commuter life. I think it's because our mentality has always been either 'pay your dues, junior' or 'commuting is a choice, why don't you live in PTC'. Hopefully that's fading a little bit.
I have noticed during my time at DAL there is a reluctance to meaningfully improve reserve or commuter life. I think it's because our mentality has always been either 'pay your dues, junior' or 'commuting is a choice, why don't you live in PTC'. Hopefully that's fading a little bit.
02-13-2024, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Over my career at Delta reserve was by a large margin the most improved section of the contract. I am not sure how much more you can improve it and run a reliable operation. Maybe put helo pads at each terminal and helo all the reserve pilots in?
02-13-2024, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Over my career at Delta reserve was by a large margin the most improved section of the contract. I am not sure how much more you can improve it and run a reliable operation. Maybe put helo pads at each terminal and helo all the reserve pilots in?
- Sick if needed.
- If coverage sequence is violated, the reporting pilot should get 1h pay no credit on top of any other penalties. This benefits REG pilots too.
- Reasonable limits to amount of pilots on SC on a given day, anchored to some formula.
- Tie double 23k usage to giving a pilot a hotel and positive space for coming in the night before a rotation or SC.
- Be able to convert SC assignment to VAS if you're going to be at the airport anyway.
- Put the gym next to the pilot lounge like in JFK.
02-13-2024, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Over my career at Delta reserve was by a large margin the most improved section of the contract. I am not sure how much more you can improve it and run a reliable operation. Maybe put helo pads at each terminal and helo all the reserve pilots in?
As far as there being no room to improve, I like AA's reserve system a lot more but I understand there are 16,000+ ideas as to what a good system is. I think the ability to bid long call/short call reserve lines (like at AA) would be very nice to have here. Howerver, my liking of AA's reserve system is influenced heavily by my neighbor, who, as a very senior FO, seems to work only when he feels like it and only then for premium pay. And he commutes.
02-13-2024, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by myrkridia
I can think of a few ways.
- Sick if needed.
- If coverage sequence is violated, the reporting pilot should get 1h pay no credit on top of any other penalties. This benefits REG pilots too.
- Reasonable limits to amount of pilots on SC on a given day, anchored to some formula.
- Tie double 23k usage to giving a pilot a hotel and positive space for coming in the night before a rotation or SC.
- Be able to convert SC assignment to VAS if you're going to be at the airport anyway.
- Put the gym next to the pilot lounge like in JFK.
- Sick if needed.
- If coverage sequence is violated, the reporting pilot should get 1h pay no credit on top of any other penalties. This benefits REG pilots too.
- Reasonable limits to amount of pilots on SC on a given day, anchored to some formula.
- Tie double 23k usage to giving a pilot a hotel and positive space for coming in the night before a rotation or SC.
- Be able to convert SC assignment to VAS if you're going to be at the airport anyway.
- Put the gym next to the pilot lounge like in JFK.
There needs to be a punitive consequence to the company for failing to follow the simple, formulary things in the contract. Like coverage, “if needed” slips, and pay, and… The remedy should not just be “made whole”. There needs to be a cost to them for not doing right in the first place. Otherwise, it just incentivizes them to drag feet and err on the side of “no”, rather than disincentivize the same. The ARCOS 2:00 pay set the precedent, and is a good start for each violation.
02-13-2024, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by beernutt
I agree reserve rules have improved. The last time you were on reserve though was probably during the Reagan administration and it was pretty grim then.
As far as there being no room to improve, I like AA's reserve system a lot more but I understand there are 16,000+ ideas as to what a good system is. I think the ability to bid long call/short call reserve lines (like at AA) would be very nice to have here. Howerver, my liking of AA's reserve system is influenced heavily by my neighbor, who, as a very senior FO, seems to work only when he feels like it and only then for premium pay. And he commutes.
As far as there being no room to improve, I like AA's reserve system a lot more but I understand there are 16,000+ ideas as to what a good system is. I think the ability to bid long call/short call reserve lines (like at AA) would be very nice to have here. Howerver, my liking of AA's reserve system is influenced heavily by my neighbor, who, as a very senior FO, seems to work only when he feels like it and only then for premium pay. And he commutes.
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