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Quote: Enough anecdotes over time lead to a reputation. I'm not saying all Delta pilots fit the stereotype, but crewdawg was denying there is a stereotype at all. There are plenty of Delta pilots that fit that stereotype. It's not a myth. In indoc we spent about 20 minutes per chapter of the FOM, but when it came to the uniform chapter, we spent over an hour! Then when it was time for OE, the LCA also decided to go on about the uniform. I have never worked at an airline that talks this much about the uniform. We have pilots who oppose getting rid of the hat and double-breasted blazer. We have several cringy videos of pilots giving PAs. People can debate the level of severity of this stereotype, but it absolutely exists and is unique to Delta.
I try to not be that stereotypical guy.

I'd lose the hat tomorrow gladly. Single breasted was fine.. I wanted one, but they didn't fit well.

The new double breasted.. It's an atrocity.

I have no desire to look like a 1930s Navy Captain.
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Quote: Absolutely not. Quite the opposite. He was unbelievably hard-up over the “hats off to a new contract” campaign, and the “damage” it was doing to the brand. Saw it with my own eyes.
He was "hard up" over the "hats off." Yet he didn't do anything about it. And he's now a non-factor.

The lesson is, a unified uniform disbedience campaign is more or less unenforceable. The harder mgmt complains, the more pilots will participate. Even a blunt tool like Burns knew that.
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Quote: He was "hard up" over the "hats off." Yet he didn't do anything about it. And he's now a non-factor.

The lesson is, a unified uniform disbedience campaign is more or less unenforceable. The harder mgmt complains, the more pilots will participate. Even a blunt tool like Burns knew that.
He lost his cool during a talk to my upgrading class during contract negotiations. Wasn't happy about the green lanyards most of us were wearing and got hostile when some people asked him questions about the contract. I realized then that he was not our friend.

On the contrary when Brad S. came to talk to us he was very amiable, funny, and seemed genuinely caring/on our side. Maybe he was just a better actor
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Quote: Crew Outfitters. Just please don’t wear it in the airport in uniform. And definitely not with the hat. Put it on at the curb if you must, and take it back off when you enter the terminal.
i assume from your comment that its not approved. I wont buy it then. They pay me alot of money to look a certain way and I respect that.
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Quote: Crew Outfitters. Just please don’t wear it in the airport in uniform. And definitely not with the hat. Put it on at the curb if you must, and take it back off when you enter the terminal.
this. Wear it if you want, but ditch the hat and zip it up. Wearing it hanging open with a hat (saw this yesterday) just looks bad.
And no it’s not approved for wear with the uniform.
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Its so funny to me that you guys are so worked up about this. It literally doesn’t matter or make any difference to your work life.

I have worn both types. Its the same experience.
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Quote: And now Delta flies to the same cold-a$$ places, right?
Not out of Atlanta…and that’s what really matters,
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Quote: Then you're not very observant. All airlines have their 1%, but the problem with Delta is that our 1% are the same which makes it seem like that personality is what Delta wants. You might not notice because you don't get the opportunity to fly with other Delta captains. When I was a commuter type interviewing for another regional job since my airline was going under, I had to jumpseat home on a Delta aircraft. The captain seemed nice, but when he found out I had to sit in the jumpseat, he wasn't sure if regional airlines were allowed in mainline jumpseats and had to look it up. Then he was nervous about what the passengers would think if a person was in the cockpit without a pilot uniform. Luckily I had a uniform in my bag, but he made me change out of my interview suit and put on my pilot uniform.

So this one time you had an odd duck and now 99% are that way? Get out of here with your generalizations. I mean, just look on this forum and see the different personsilities. Some of you put too much stock into the personality test stuff (which AAL had as well). But yes I did fly with other Captains for the first 7-8 years, sometimes even two Captains at the same time on the 330. I maybe ran into 1 or 2 pilots I'd rather not fly with again and 1 or 2 more that outwardly expressed anything close to what you're saying. Not once have I ever seen any consternation over a JS like you mentioned, then again I don't fly in a certain base south of the mason-dixon lol. Heck, I even had a DAL Captain let me on the JS in blue jeans (unfortunate string of events) when I was a regional puke. He even wrote me a rec for Delta!

Guess what, when I flew at American we had our odd ducks too. You don't think they participate here, you should see their internal pilot forum...it makes chitchat look like childs play. We had multiple pilots walk into our indoc class when the instructors were gone and tell us that we're idots if we didn't leave for UAL or DAL. A FedEx buddy had a Captain clean all of the screens, including the FOs, by taking off his shoes and socks, tucking a cleaning rag between his toes and using his feet to reach across and clean them...while my buddy was in the seat! There was apparently another FDX Captain that would talk to you via a sock puppet... My sim partner at AAL had come from a year at UAL. He once had a Captain loudly berate him in front of a JSer because he didn't have an ALPA pin on...dude wouldn't let it go for the entire flight. He had simply lost it somewhere on the trip. I have great college and military buddies at nearly every airline...we're all the same.

When everyone in the room is a jerk, maybe it's not them...
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Quote: …Guess what, when I flew at American we had our odd ducks too. You don't think they participate here, you should see their internal pilot forum...it makes chitchat look like childs play... A FedEx buddy had a Captain clean all of the screens, including the FOs, by taking off his shoes and socks, tucking a cleaning rag between his toes and using his feet to reach across and clean them...while my buddy was in the seat! There was apparently another FDX Captain that would talk to you via a sock puppet... My sim partner at AAL had come from a year at UAL. He once had a Captain loudly berate him in front of a JSer because he didn't have an ALPA pin on...dude wouldn't let it go for the entire flight. He had simply lost it somewhere on the trip. I have great college and military buddies at nearly every airline...we're all the same.

When everyone in the room is a jerk, maybe it's not them...
Exactly. Everyone has their 1%.

To those who say DL is “unique” in their uniform/DB jacket douchebaggery, the Alpa pin and scab list checking at UA are great examples for some stereotype behavior you don’t see here that’s at least as bad/cringe. It’s different, but the same. As crewdawg said, we’re all the same.
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Quote: this. Wear it if you want, but ditch the hat and zip it up. Wearing it hanging open with a hat (saw this yesterday) just looks bad.
And no it’s not approved for wear with the uniform.
Exactly.
I've seen a few of the new hires that wore it while waiting for their jackets (hall pass). It looked neat, contemporary and professional. Though I never saw one on a female (I can still say that can't I) I imagine it would look a lot more appropriate than the DB goon suit.
Someday it will happen. The tide is changing at this company.
It's just so damn silly that while the employees with the MOST DIRECT customer contact are allowed to wear pretty much any combination of uniform items, and are allowed extreme hairstyles to include a purple Mohawk (yes on my flight) management has decided to twist itself around the axle over a jacket style.
It's a control issue, micro management on a macro scale.
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