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03-27-2025 | 08:02 AM

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And that somehow precludes pre-month assignments from being assignments?

You’re getting hung up on the word “assignment”. It’s not relevant to what a non-fly day is, as defined by the PWA.

OK, but I am assigned a 30 hour rest during LC. An arbitrator will clarify, what do we have to lose... where have I heard that before???

03-27-2025 | 08:04 AM

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This is not a company reinterpretation. You are welcome to go back several chairs prior to 2020 and get the same answer.

ETA: I am just miffed that you think the 30 hour rest non-fly day is a reinterpretation. Mind boggling.

I'm not saying it is currently a reinterpretation. Quite the opposite. It should be reinterpreted to be langauge compliant.

03-27-2025 | 08:07 AM

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Another shouter downer joins the fray. This could go viral now! Yeah, discussing changing PWA interpretations is trolling. MMM K. Can you wave your surrender flag a little higher so everyone can see it.

Yup. Trolling.

Giving credit where it's due: You're getting along quite nicely with it! Haven't seen a 3+ page troll fest on here in a while....

03-27-2025 | 08:08 AM

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OK, but I am assigned a 30 hour rest during LC. An arbitrator will clarify, what do we have to lose... where have I heard that before???

Bloch had no problem saying that positive space doesn’t actually mean positive space. How many milliseconds would a clearly-defined topic with 10+ years of mutual agreement last on his desk?

03-27-2025 | 08:09 AM

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It's defined. Look it up.

As the torchbearer of the "assigned rest is company business so it can't be a no-fly day because you can't be "on company business" on a no-fly day" movement, could I get a definition from you of what is/isn't "being on company business"? Having one would help the cause.

03-27-2025 | 08:11 AM

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Bloch had no problem saying that positive space doesn’t actually mean positive space. How many milliseconds would a clearly-defined matter with decades of mutual agreement last on his desk?

Not the point. If we are going to lose lets have the fight. Several months atleast and we don't have to agree to expedite. I'm tired of the surrender money mentality and the latest union letter motivated me. There's obviously an arguement to be made or we wouldn't have consumed so many APC bytes.

03-27-2025 | 08:16 AM

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For a RES pilot a 30 hour rest is assigned. That assignment is not a non-fly day for 3 reasons.

1) duration (by definition)
2) it is assigned during a period of LC obligation
3) the assignment comes with a duty and obligation requiring it's completion or contacting the company during interruption.

03-27-2025 | 08:21 AM

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I agree with you in principle — on issues that are actually under dispute. This one is clear as day, and has been to the company, ALPA, and pilot group for years.

I’m one of the least prone APC’ers to ever say “We’re not going to win that battle.” The 23.M.7 surrender job was incompetent, idiotic, and reckless.

But should a grievance be opened over 30-hour rest periods being considered non-fly days, we have exactly a 0% chance of winning. There is so much more low-hanging fruit out there.

03-27-2025 | 08:27 AM

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An X day is rest. An assigned 30 hour rest period during LC is by definition an assignment.

<sigh> No, it's not. You are misusing the term, conflating common use with contractual language.

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There is no right or wrong, only what an arbitrator says. This is something that requires clarification as does all the company interpretations.

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So, you are trolling to make some broader point? I guess? I hope??

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For a RES pilot a 30 hour rest is assigned. That assignment is not a non-fly day for 3 reasons.

1) duration
2) it is assigned during a period of LC obligation
3) the assignment comes with a duty and obligation requiring it's completion or contacting the company during interruption.

You are tilting at the wrong windmill, my friend. If you are going to stake loss of pay and discipline (more loss of pay, etc.) on this issue, just to prove some point that "2 can play this game", please don't involve us. This is 'settled law', with decades of precedent.

03-27-2025 | 08:31 AM

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At the end of the day, absent your singular opinion, the established treatment of a 30 hour rest is that it is equivalent to a non-fly day (whether you look at the final 24 hours and its assignment vs award).

How does this currently harm the pilot group? Could a side affect of reinterpretation not be the loss of stacking 15 reserve days together in PBS?