Fighting 'the man'
03-27-2025 | 08:43 AM
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I agree with you in principle — on issues that are actually under dispute. This one is clear as day, and has been to the company, ALPA, and pilot group for years.
I’m one of the least prone APC’ers to ever say “We’re not going to win that battle.” The 23.M.7 surrender job was incompetent, idiotic, and reckless.
But should a grievance be opened over 30-hour rest periods being considered non-fly days, we have exactly a 0% chance of winning. There is so much more low-hanging fruit out there.
I’m one of the least prone APC’ers to ever say “We’re not going to win that battle.” The 23.M.7 surrender job was incompetent, idiotic, and reckless.
But should a grievance be opened over 30-hour rest periods being considered non-fly days, we have exactly a 0% chance of winning. There is so much more low-hanging fruit out there.
03-27-2025 | 08:45 AM
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<sigh> No, it's not. You are misusing the term, conflating common use with contractual language.
So, you are trolling to make some broader point? I guess? I hope??
You are tilting at the wrong windmill, my friend. If you are going to stake loss of pay and discipline (more loss of pay, etc.) on this issue, just to prove some point that "2 can play this game", please don't involve us. This is 'settled law', with decades of precedent.
So, you are trolling to make some broader point? I guess? I hope??
You are tilting at the wrong windmill, my friend. If you are going to stake loss of pay and discipline (more loss of pay, etc.) on this issue, just to prove some point that "2 can play this game", please don't involve us. This is 'settled law', with decades of precedent.
03-27-2025 | 08:48 AM
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I'm happy to let this exchange marinate for some time to gauge interest. If there is none we can all return to our sheepish/doveish/lemmingish natural state. The union can continue to issue feckless memoranda to assuage our indignation while the company is awarded victory for battles unfought.
03-27-2025 | 08:56 AM
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Your inclination toward strategic patience is duly noted. If the prevailing sentiment remains one of inertia, we shall inevitably regress into our predisposed docility—whether it manifests as ovine compliance, pacifistic acquiescence, or uncritical groupthink. Meanwhile, the union will persist in its ritualistic dissemination of impotent proclamations, their rhetorical fervor serving merely as a palliative for our transient outrage. All the while, corporate hegemony will luxuriate in its unchallenged ascendancy, effortlessly securing triumphs in conflicts that never necessitated engagement.
03-27-2025 | 09:09 AM
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03-27-2025 | 09:09 AM
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If we decide to go to fight with the company over this. The solution will be simple, they will try to negotiate “you can’t have more than 6 days of rsv in a row”.
I personally bid 8 days of rsv in a row to get the 30hr rest period. That is a minimum of 40hrs “free of duty”. Twice a month = 3 days and 8 hrs extra “off” that month.
I personally bid 8 days of rsv in a row to get the 30hr rest period. That is a minimum of 40hrs “free of duty”. Twice a month = 3 days and 8 hrs extra “off” that month.
03-27-2025 | 09:14 AM
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If we decide to go to fight with the company over this. The solution will be simple, they will try to negotiate “you can’t have more than 6 days of rsv in a row”.
I personally bid 8 days of rsv in a row to get the 30hr rest period. That is a minimum of 40hrs “free of duty”. Twice a month = 3 days and 8 hrs extra “off” that month.
I personally bid 8 days of rsv in a row to get the 30hr rest period. That is a minimum of 40hrs “free of duty”. Twice a month = 3 days and 8 hrs extra “off” that month.
03-27-2025 | 09:14 AM
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If we decide to go to fight with the company over this. The solution will be simple, they will try to negotiate “you can’t have more than 6 days of rsv in a row”.
I personally bid 8 days of rsv in a row to get the 30hr rest period. That is a minimum of 40hrs “free of duty”. Twice a month = 3 days and 8 hrs extra “off” that month.
I personally bid 8 days of rsv in a row to get the 30hr rest period. That is a minimum of 40hrs “free of duty”. Twice a month = 3 days and 8 hrs extra “off” that month.
Let's say you finsish RES rotation and while doing your mandatory schedule check you see you have 30hrs of rest and then a SC (or rotation) that starts the very next minute after your rest ends. This is legal (assigned at same time) so only 30hrs free of duty.
03-27-2025 | 09:15 AM
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Not yours, noted. An army of one is what you want so you don't have to fight. Let's broaden the discussion. What would YOU do, if anything, in response to the company's surgical slaughter of the PWA? So far I have seen only inaction.
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