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Old 01-15-2026 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA4LIFE
This may be an unpopular post but I actually think RG would be a great replacement
He’s got experience - he actually turned endeavor around and I think it’s important that he’s been here for a bit and understands the delta culture
that’s the one thing we can’t lose, because if we lose that we will be American overnight
I mean this is the nicest way possible, but tell me you’re a post COVID hire without telling me
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Old 01-15-2026 | 04:30 PM
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I mean this is the nicest way possible, but tell me you’re a post COVID hire without telling me
If so, then it’s safe to say the username doesn’t check out.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ancman
He turned Endeavor around? ...
RG is the first person who needs to be fired to adequately address our current operational issues.
I'd really like to think that Ed is super ticked at RG right now for how poorly Flt Ops has been run. Several supposed sources are citing $200 Mil in December for 23M7 costs. That's straight off the top of the profit for the year, and would have made this year higher profit YOY if that's even half-true.

And IF that's true, it's hard to imagine RG's promotion stock has not plummeted within the C-Suite. IF.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
I'd really like to think that Ed is super ticked at RG right now for how poorly Flt Ops has been run. Several supposed sources are citing $200 Mil in December for 23M7 costs. That's straight off the top of the profit for the year, and would have made this year higher profit YOY if that's even half-true.

And IF that's true, it's hard to imagine RG's promotion stock has not plummeted within the C-Suite. IF.
And this years lesson is you can't run a major like a regional without repercussions.

Just like I couldn't run engineering at BakerHughes like I was some small wildcat operator.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
And this years lesson is you can't run a major like a regional without repercussions.

Just like I couldn't run engineering at BakerHughes like I was some small wildcat operator.
Ok you're racking up the movie characters.

First, Our original Darth Vader. Now our version of "Landman"
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Old 01-15-2026 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
And this years lesson is you can't run a major like a regional without repercussions.

Just like I couldn't run engineering at BakerHughes like I was some small wildcat operator.
I'd realllllllllly love to have been a fly on the wall for the "Pods" discussion. Much less the 23M7 cost reveal.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Ok you're racking up the movie characters.

First, Our original Darth Vader. Now our version of "Landman"
Yeah. I wasn't that cool. I was the guy who figured out how to get pigs unstuck in pipelines, deal with well fires, etc.

My biggest engineering claims to fame were commissioning engineer on the second NordStream line and the ATEX pipeline, where we reversed the WWII era "Big Inch" pipeline and pumped Natural Gas Liquids south to Texas vs the refined products north to PA it originally did.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
I'd really like to think that Ed is super ticked at RG right now for how poorly Flt Ops has been run. Several supposed sources are citing $200 Mil in December for 23M7 costs. That's straight off the top of the profit for the year, and would have made this year higher profit YOY if that's even half-true.

And IF that's true, it's hard to imagine RG's promotion stock has not plummeted within the C-Suite. IF.
I tried my own crayon-on-napkin math on this. My math is terribly wrong. Let start with some awful assumptions (public math time!):

1) Each 23M7 results in someone getting paid 1x (this is the default), plus someone else either getting paid 2x, or not getting extra (reserves.)
2) The default pay doesn't matter, it's the extra that matters
3) Assume that every 23M7 goes to premium. 2x pay. This is what's "extra".
4) Assume $325/hr average pay (a number I took out of my arse to average CA/FO across the company.)
5) Assume 15 hours of pay for each IA (this is a rough and totally inaccurate number based on an average trip length of about 1.5 days of ADG. 7.5 hours times 2.)
6) Assume 15 hours x $325 = roughly $5k per IA. This is further making the numbers terrible, but I'm rounding to something manageable. $5k per 23M7.
7) $5k per 23M7
8) 100 23M7 on the 23M7 log per category per month. Every category is different, this estimate is probably way too low. Just a guestimate on average per BES.
9) DAL has 68 categories (BES).
10) 68 x 100 x $5k = $34 million. Per month.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
Yeah. I wasn't that cool. I was the guy who figured out how to get pigs unstuck in pipelines, deal with well fires, etc.

My biggest engineering claims to fame were commissioning engineer on the second NordStream line and the ATEX pipeline, where we reversed the WWII era "Big Inch" pipeline and pumped Natural Gas Liquids south to Texas vs the refined products north to PA it originally did.
Sorry I meant to put a smiley face at the end of my landman sentence.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Verdell
I tried my own crayon-on-napkin math on this. My math is terribly wrong. Let start with some awful assumptions (public math time!):

1) Each 23M7 results in someone getting paid 1x (this is the default), plus someone else either getting paid 2x, or not getting extra (reserves.)
2) The default pay doesn't matter, it's the extra that matters
3) Assume that every 23M7 goes to premium. 2x pay. This is what's "extra".
4) Assume $325/hr average pay (a number I took out of my arse to average CA/FO across the company.)
5) Assume 15 hours of pay for each IA (this is a rough and totally inaccurate number based on an average trip length of about 1.5 days of ADG. 7.5 hours times 2.)
6) Assume 15 hours x $325 = roughly $5k per IA. This is further making the numbers terrible, but I'm rounding to something manageable. $5k per 23M7.
7) $5k per 23M7
8) 100 23M7 on the 23M7 log per category per month. Every category is different, this estimate is probably way too low. Just a guestimate on average per BES.
9) DAL has 68 categories (BES).
10) 68 x 100 x $5k = $34 million. Per month.
for lax, there were

-66 23m7s on the 320a
-6 350A
-54 73n-a
-110 320b
-60 73n b
-2 350b

for an average of 49.6 per category.

in sea:

50 320a
56 73n a
58 220 a
zero 330 a
4 350 a
46 320b
92 73n b
70 220 b
8 330b
12 350b

for an average of 39.6 per category.


i got bored after that


in fairness, there were 1024 in atl320b and 522 320a which might raise the average
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