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FL370esq 08-13-2025 03:56 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3938346)
Auto accept is to prevent getting a call for a GS when 100 guys senior to you also got the call. If you use auto accept and you're number one on the list, you're doing nothing but wasting everyone's time

At what number are you no longer wasting everyone's time by using auto accept? And how does the number one pilot on the list know s/he is actually number one for that 3am call-out without having to actually check the list? 🤔

(And what does this have to do with 2025 AEs? #Threaddrift)

Jughead135 08-13-2025 04:23 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3938344)
I've always understood it to be the most senior with a slip in, not the most senior with auto accept on.

My understanding as well, which is why I don’t get all the auto accept (if you’re not going to fly the trip anyway). Easier just to block ARCOS calls to avoid them, no??

crewdawg 08-13-2025 04:30 AM


Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 3938356)
My understanding as well, which is why I don’t get all the auto accept (if you’re not going to fly the trip anyway). Easier just to block ARCOS calls to avoid them, no??

Well they probably have WS requests in for the 23m7, but still want GS calls, so blocking ARCOS isn't a good method. I use auto accept at night to avoid calls for trips I won't get. I also use it when I'm flying but I usually bid a specific trip or ratchet down the qualifiers and use auto ack as well. Some people are too lazy to update their auto accept on/off all the time, frankly, I don't blame them. It's a pain to do and the easy button is just to let it ride.

Another thing that would be helpful to to be able to maintain a slip but turn it off/on without deleting it.

Meme In Command 08-13-2025 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3938344)
I've always understood it to be the most senior with a slip in, not the most senior with auto accept on. People putting auto accept with no intention of actually working are just idiots trying to gum up the works. Happy to be wrong but I have gotten 23M7 and I only use auto accept at night and while flying.

This is why I said above that having easier options to turn on/off auto accept/ack, would be nice. These guys are just too lazy to turn it off themselves.

Ok, so auto accept in and of itself doesn't affect if a senior pilot is gonna get 23.M.7 pay, they just need to have the slip in. But by virtue of so many having auto accept on and gumming up the system, the company is force using IA's which then drives senior pilots collecting 23.M.7, did I get this right?

crewdawg 08-13-2025 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3938361)
Ok, so auto accept in and of itself doesn't affect if a senior pilot is gonna get 23.M.7 pay, they just need to have the slip in. But by virtue of so many having auto accept on and gumming up the system, the company is force using IA's which then drives senior pilots collecting 23.M.7, did I get this right?


That is how I understand it. But I'd push back on the idea that auto accept is the reason the company is forced to use IA's. It may be a contributing factor, but I don't see it as a root cause. That is more a factor of how they choose to "run hot," and their crew scheduling hiring/staffing decisions. As has been talked about before, we see trips sit in open time for hours before coverage is started and even then it sometimes sits on a pilots line for up to an hour, even after they've rejected it.

tennisguru 08-13-2025 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3938361)
Ok, so auto accept in and of itself doesn't affect if a senior pilot is gonna get 23.M.7 pay, they just need to have the slip in. But by virtue of so many having auto accept on and gumming up the system, the company is force using IA's which then drives senior pilots collecting 23.M.7, did I get this right?

Yeah that's probably more likely. A pilot uses auto accept hoping that during the 12 (or more) minutes the rotation is sitting on his schedule that scheduling makes the call to 23M7 it and since it was on his line he gets paid as the harmed pilot. Honestly I think that strategy is really a shot in the dark and probably doesn't work all that often.

cencal83406 08-13-2025 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3938361)
Ok, so auto accept in and of itself doesn't affect if a senior pilot is gonna get 23.M.7 pay, they just need to have the slip in. But by virtue of having [batch sizes] and gumming up the system, the company is force using IA's which then drives senior pilots collecting 23.M.7, did I get this right?

I assume you were also against batch sizes since that’s what drove the previous IA bonanza.

Delta 320Driver 08-13-2025 06:03 AM

I don’t like the batch size allowances we gave CS. With that being said I can understand why a junior pilot would use auto-accept in the evening when they don’t want to be pestered by batch call offerings they will never get. However, if you are senior and your #1 job in life is to be thorn in the side of the CPO and you are trying to grab free money. YOU! are what makes working here at Delta a real pain. If you aren’t going to be part of the solution, pound sand. If you are senior and select auto-accept you have stated that you will accept the proffer… plain and simple. The only issue is figuring out who is exactly senior. Maybe the trigger should be one individual pilot should not be given assignment pay for 23M.7 violations more than once per month.
Everybody’s flown with these self-serving types. It isn’t fun. Victim mentality with a dose of retribution for big bad Delta. Makes you wonder why they want to work here. Oh yeah, to get free money and game the system.

Hotel Kilo 08-13-2025 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by Delta 320Driver (Post 3938441)
I don’t like the batch size allowances we gave CS. With that being said I can understand why a junior pilot would use auto-accept in the evening when they don’t want to be pestered by batch call offerings they will never get. However, if you are senior and your #1 job in life is to be thorn in the side of the CPO and you are trying to grab free money. YOU! are what makes working here at Delta a real pain. If you aren’t going to be part of the solution, pound sand. If you are senior and select auto-accept you have stated that you will accept the proffer… plain and simple. The only issue is figuring out who is exactly senior. Maybe the trigger should be one individual pilot should not be given assignment pay for 23M.7 violations more than once per month.
Everybody’s flown with these self-serving types. It isn’t fun. Victim mentality with a dose of retribution for big bad Delta. Makes you wonder why they want to work here. Oh yeah, to get free money and game the system.

WE didn't cause the problem. That's all on management.

Let's keep that straight here.


Delta 320Driver 08-13-2025 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3938459)
WE didn't cause the problem. That's all on management.

Let's keep that straight here.

Like I said in my first statement…

It’s what we do with the problem that is being questioned. Hopefully ALPA can work something out that’s beneficial for our pilots. I’m not a fan of how the company has handled it either. They are grossly violating PWA provisions.

Do you think it’s right for guys to be gumming up the system with auto-accept for reasons of getting back at the company? Wait… don’t answer that.



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