23.M.7/Auto Accept thread drift.
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Good thing we aren't adding to already short staffed categories. Getting pretty bad that we couldn't find an FO for a mid morning turn, on a Monday of a non-holiday weekend and not a single storm system in the CONUS. The FO they finally found, was on a DH that was delayed because that flight didn't have a FO available. Then when we got in, my FOs commute flight home was delayed 3 hours looking for a Captain. This certainly isn't the well oiled Delta we had pre-2019.
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My category is not short staffed at all fwiw.
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Ditto this. I won't embellish the story, but I watched a trip sit in open time for nearly 2 hours, just waiting for it to be assigned to me on SC reserve. The call finally came 30 minutes before report. Flight went out late as a result. There were no WS/autoaccept shenanigans. It just sat there as I refreshed trip coverage expecting to get the call. (Yes I know this is neurotic of me, but I like to hawk iCrew during SC sessions from home once my chores are done.)
My category is not short staffed at all fwiw.
My category is not short staffed at all fwiw.
FLICA has this feature. I believe at American their union has a feature that sends out email alerts. Can't be that hard to incorporate.
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In July DTW320 (both sides), they put every trip in open time after mid month, up as silver slips. GS/IA calls were non stop for them. A 320B friend got 18 GS and 6 IA calls in one day. Many went unfilled. That doesn't scream plenty of pilots.
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exactly this. Because of all the violations happening they are hunting for free money. Just like before with batch size violations.
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What difference does auto accept make vis-a-vis 23M7? Does it somehow make the pilot in question more likely to be the “affected” pilot?
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In theory, during a very chaotic month the top pilot ina category can submit a slip with auto accept and just sit back and do nothing. Any time the company uses 23.M.7 he gets paid.
But the part that sucks for most pilots is the guys that can make that 23.M.7 money are the absolute most senior pilots
(That's how I understand it, happy to be corrected)
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If you are the most senior pilot eligible for a trip, auto accept casts the widest net. It doesn't matter if you did or didn't have the intent to acknowledge and fly the trip.
In theory, during a very chaotic month the top pilot ina category can submit a slip with auto accept and just sit back and do nothing. Any time the company uses 23.M.7 he gets paid.
But the part that sucks for most pilots is the guys that can make that 23.M.7 money are the absolute most senior pilots
(That's how I understand it, happy to be corrected)
In theory, during a very chaotic month the top pilot ina category can submit a slip with auto accept and just sit back and do nothing. Any time the company uses 23.M.7 he gets paid.
But the part that sucks for most pilots is the guys that can make that 23.M.7 money are the absolute most senior pilots
(That's how I understand it, happy to be corrected)
I've always understood it to be the most senior with a slip in, not the most senior with auto accept on. People putting auto accept with no intention of actually working are just idiots trying to gum up the works. Happy to be wrong but I have gotten 23M7 and I only use auto accept at night and while flying.
This is why I said above that having easier options to turn on/off auto accept/ack, would be nice. These guys are just too lazy to turn it off themselves.
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If you are the most senior pilot eligible for a trip, auto accept casts the widest net. It doesn't matter if you did or didn't have the intent to acknowledge and fly the trip.
In theory, during a very chaotic month the top pilot ina category can submit a slip with auto accept and just sit back and do nothing. Any time the company uses 23.M.7 he gets paid.
But the part that sucks for most pilots is the guys that can make that 23.M.7 money are the absolute most senior pilots
(That's how I understand it, happy to be corrected)
In theory, during a very chaotic month the top pilot ina category can submit a slip with auto accept and just sit back and do nothing. Any time the company uses 23.M.7 he gets paid.
But the part that sucks for most pilots is the guys that can make that 23.M.7 money are the absolute most senior pilots
(That's how I understand it, happy to be corrected)
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