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Viper25 08-13-2025 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3938560)
It becomes even more unsustainable after we eventually get automated enforcement up and running.

After we get what?

notEnuf 08-13-2025 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by Viper25 (Post 3938657)
After we get what?

Yeah, what ever happened to this automation we were promised? Did we outsource it to DAL after the ACE debacle? That would explain the timeline and lack of automation.

But seriously... what up wit dat?

Herkflyr 08-13-2025 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3938520)
Of course more than one thing can be true at once. Pilots who use auto-accept are playing by the rules, while management is often not. That part is simple. If you don’t like the rules, then write your reps and fill out the upcoming C26 survey to request a change. Nothing is truly “wrong” if it’s done in accordance with the PWA.

Management is frequently using 23M7 outside of 8 hours, not logging 23M7 incidents as required, along with numerous other routine PWA violations.

There is a lot of gray area here, and lots of back and forth over beers. I might say that there is "nothing contractually wrong" from calling in sick all 270 sick leave hours (for old guys like me) and not calling in sick until one hour prior to report, for ALL 270 hours of sick use. But I would raise a BS flag if someone was bragging about it--legal and all.

ancman 08-13-2025 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 3938697)
There is a lot of gray area here, and lots of back and forth over beers. I might say that there is "nothing contractually wrong" from calling in sick all 270 sick leave hours (for old guys like me) and not calling in sick until one hour prior to report, for ALL 270 hours of sick use. But I would raise a BS flag if someone was bragging about it--legal and all.

A pilot is clearly violating the PWA if they use their sick hours when they are not actually sick (as defined by 14.A.17). Additionally, they are violating 14.F.1 if they consistently wait until 1 hour prior to sign-in despite becoming aware that they will be unable to perform their duties earlier.

The difference here is that using auto-accept is always PWA legal. No intent to fly is ever required, unless the pilot acknowledges a proffer.

hockeypilot44 08-13-2025 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3938560)
Sure, but my experience mirrors what crewdawg posted above. Whenever 23M7 has run rampant in my category, I’ve had little trouble finding a premium trip or two somewhere in the month — even as a mid-seniority commuter.

The company would love nothing more than to make their problem look like our problem. For us, it’s minimal short term pain for long term gain. For the company, it’s a massive, unsustainable cost and operational issue. It becomes even more unsustainable after we eventually get automated enforcement up and running. Time is on our side here.

Lol and the Charleston Chiefs are moving to Florida at end of season.

Jughead135 08-13-2025 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3938358)
Well they probably have WS requests in for the 23m7, but still want GS calls, so blocking ARCOS isn't a good method.

Good point—I hadn’t considered the “I actually want some ARCOS calls” angle….

demon llama 08-13-2025 07:18 PM

Deleted. Wrong quote.

FL370esq 08-14-2025 02:16 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3938700)
Lol and the Charleston Chiefs are moving to Florida at end of season.

"I got a good deal on those boys...the scout said they show a lot of promise."

SpeedyG2 10-01-2025 09:30 AM

23M7
 
Recently lot of trip being getting inversely assigned to junior pilots without even going out as GS or even WS and it’s same 2 or 3 senior keep getting paid was it always like this ?? I guess CS has to do better job and being proactive rather than let the trips sit in open for hours

GutterGuard 10-01-2025 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by SpeedyG2 (Post 3955324)
Recently lot of trip being getting inversely assigned to junior pilots without even going out as GS or even WS and it’s same 2 or 3 senior keep getting paid was it always like this ?? I guess CS has to do better job and being proactive rather than let the trips sit in open for hours

Yes

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