Possibly because the groups pushing hardest for “renewable” energy and in this country—and set the narrative—hammer us with (quack) climate data, and don’t give a rip about our national security.

Oh wow and you can't see past the rhetoric that gets pushed on you to look at the merits of an advancing technology that has potentially to increase our energy independence and resilience which would greatly impact our national security? Of course not, because GRRRR HIPPIES

Lol ok, Cartman

Just some articles to back up my “meme”…. Meme…. Really. That’s funny.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/coal-pollution-can-be-seen-pouring-from-power-plant-smokestacks/

And this:

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news...ers-unaffected

and this:

https://www.dw.com/en/combating-high...ion/a-71094111

wait…. There’s more:

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/resea...cy-aspirations

and this:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/chinas-c...-high-in-2024/

certainly not a meme:

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...f%20coal%20use

Now I’m not going to say coal is 100% clean, but Im also not going to say wind can supply our energy needs.

But this whole argument is quite funny. You meme lovers on the left say let’s go solar and wind and damn fossil fuels! The reality is that wind and solar wont work as the primary but will work in a total picture. I live in the mountains of western Virginia. Right by beautiful and Wild West Virginia. They’re mining like crazy again. Why? We need coal. We need nuclear. We need natural gas. We need wind. We need solar. Read some of the (not meme’s) articles above about Germany’s failure on the green revolution.

Why did Virginia agree to a wind farm off SE Virginia out at sea? Greenhadi pressure. It immediately raised electrical rates for those in SE Virginia before a single blade was made. Also, that area doesn’t make sense for wind. But they’ll sure be able to beat their chest and tell those greenies in Germany…. Look! We can also make poor decisions to appease the greenhadi movement!

The point I’ve been trying to make is that it needs balance. We need it all, but smartly. And for every KW that relies on a clear day, wind to blow or summer in high latitudes due to sun angle, we need Nuke/Fossil fuel backup.

No meme here. Just the facts. Maybe pick up a book. Do a goggle search and stay off your educational sites like FB and Instagram and stop poisoning your minds w/ memes.

Again with the green bullsh!t.....

I fully agree resilience and redundancy with multiple sources of energy is the best approach. One of us can't move past the "green" arguments and yet you call me brainwashed....

FYI, it took about 5 minutes online to understand China building more coal plants is a strategic move to better balance the grid and add flexibility to their energy needs. It allows them to control output and does NOT NECESSARILY mean that more plants= more coal burned.

Christ Even your own Germany article cites the country's reliance on Russian gas as being a major issue which is EXACTLY THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE.

His own article even discusses how dirty “clean” coal still is. That’s just the burning part not even talking about what strip mining coal does for the environment.

He also seems to be the only one making the argument about 100% renewables because no one else here has advocated for that at all.

Also many articles I've read point out that one of the major limitations on renewables is that, in order to become more reliable, there needs to be a battery storage option on the grid like California is developing to be able to smooth out the dips. Most in Europe did not add energy storage as they added wind and solar. Many US states are even dipping their toes into the Virtual Power Plant by subsidizing power walls in homes with the agreement to be able to reach into those batteries when needed. Tesla seems to be on the cutting edge of this.

And here goes China laying fields of solar panels and opening coal plants and diversifying their energy grid, making it more resilient and less dependent on external sources all while we continue to argue about how ugly wind turbines and solar panels are and those gahdamn hippies trying to save the planet with their stupid green stuff...

Don't mind China guys, the real enemy is that patchouli oiled, dreadlocked devil trying to save the Mexican Staring Frog of Southern Sri Lanka.

literally not one of those articles supports the claim you made that wind turbines never recover the energy that it took to create them…that you got from a meme


thats the very specific claim i called out, and you really keep trying to move the goalposts.

Why do you keep spreading misinformation?

LoL. Here we go with California - again. They are NOT the place to benchmark any energy grid off of, they've absolutely totaled theirs. You are obviously not an electrical engineer or do you understand the capacity required to store megawatts of energy. The battery tech doesn't exist yet and if and when it does it will come at a huge cost. Much easier to build a few nat gas plants or one nuke plant. Boom. Done. Bob's your uncle.

Near where I live they just converted a coal plant to a nat gas one. It took them about 2 years to complete it. It produces more energy than the old coal plant (nat gas is tremendously more efficient) and it's much "cleaner" as well.

Again, the experiment is over. It failed. I'm fine with augmenting the grid with some solar and some wind. However, it should not be the primary provider for the grid. It just doesn't work.

What country is getting >50% of their power generation from wind or solar? Switzerland is an interesting case because of how much they get from hydro but they are unique.

Also no nuke plant just gets built quickly. How long did it take for the new one in Georgia to be built? I’ll say it again, we should be leaning into nuclear but it’s not going to happen fast.

If we want to talk about states with a messed up power infrastructure look no further than Texas. They have plenty of wind farms but when they were having all their power issues it wasn’t due to renewables, their nat gas plants kept going offline due to extreme temperatures.

And by failed, you mean great success.

https://www.nrdc.org/bio/kelsie-goma...ornia-and-west

The current battery capacity is 16GW and will grow to 52GW at current projection by 2045. There are also some interesting energy storage experiments going on around the country that are determining the feasibility of mechanical batteries that would be able to store massive amounts of energy without a single chemical battery.

as always, the solution is complex, multifaceted, and not installed all at once. some mix of grid scale battery, pumped hydro, chemical, and other storage ideas will make us able to ween further off carbon-intensive power. it’s not all going to happen at once, and 100% is likely not achievable in any reasonable time frame, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t explore the technologies and work on them.

but i guess since ivanpah is shutting down all solar power is worthless

Yes. Failed. CAISO's battery farm is viable for very short periods. The storage you mention is at capacity which can only be handled for very short periods of time. It's not a long term storage solution (by long term I mean more than a few hours to a day or 2). That's what CAISO's batteries do, they are a short term shock absorber and do not solve longer term demand. Moreover those batteries need to be disposed of, where will they go? They have a short life. They can't be reconditioned. So that means now a toxic mess to deal with in a few short years. But yeah, you go Cali.

As always you post up a highly biased non-scientific article and claim it to be the end all. Thanks for reaffirming.

oh no, a toxic mess to clean up? how will the guy talking about the success of coal power deal with this information?

You must have me mistaken w/ a greenhadi. I think wind is a joke. Solar is ok. AGW is a scam. CO2 doesn’t cause runaway global warming. It adds a tiny bit of warming at the most and quickly saturates and wont add anymore to warming after that. Germany went all in on renewable energy and it backfired. Now they’re a prisoner to Russia for their gas supply.

Yeah, that’s methane. Fortunately all those fracking wells leak a ton of it.

That's what I don't understand about the renewables are evil crowd. It's going to take a long time to achieve anything resembling 100% renewable power so their solution is, eff it why bother?! Meanwhile, fossil fuel sources will continue to become more scarce which will drive up electric prices. It's not not AI data centers aren't going to gobble up an exponential amount of resources or anything, right?

Also, every day, economies of scale mean installing wind or solar is becoming even cheaper than the day prior. Economics hounds should understand this. The US has the advantage of being a developed industrial and technological 1st world country. Both left and right would be all in on developing, adopting and exporting green technologies. But no, every time we have the opportunity, people like HK start shouting "IT'S A FAILURE! DRILL BABY DRILL."

Strip mining for coal is bad. Strip mining for rare earths especially cobalt and lithium are good, because it’s going into a Tesla and green=good. Screw the facts. Coal doesn’t incorporate child labor as a huge pillar of their business model also.

When you don't understand basic science this goes nowhere. Being unwilling or unable to discuss things honestly is a real shame.

an interesting statement from the person refusing to back up their assertion that wind power generators never recover their manufacturing energy cost.

A good electrical storage option, large scale is needed. We aren’t there yet for realistic storage. But imaging a huge California neighborhood in the not too distant future that’s got 80% of the homes stocked w/ a power wall type tech…. And then some greenhadi sets fire to the neighborhood because one of Gavin Newsome’s acolytes decides they want that neighborhood for the Project 2030 scam for a planned low income city…. Wowza. Think about the electrical tinder that would blow that area sky high, not to mention the chemical fallout. That’s going to be a mess.

you okay, bud?

Actually one of them discusses how the real cost hasn’t been properly tracked yet. That full lifetime costs including grid upgrades, maintenance and end of life destruction hasn’t been considered yet.

I recently went to visit Plymouth Rock. I have ancestors that came over on the Mayflower. It was a fun trip. I also noticed that the plymouth rock at high tide wasn't under water. Heck the water barely touches the base of it. So if there is a warming and melting of ice caps, shouldn't the sea also be rising? I read about this all the time yet here is this rock, circa like 1620 or so, and it's not underwater at high tide (it was a king tide too). The water barely touched the base of it. Locals said it's been like that for as long as they can remember for generations.

that’s a far cry from your affirmative claim, and doesn’t even cast a shadow of doubt on the energy reclamation math.

maybe someone will make a meme about it

Mostly true. But most of those “great” wind turbines froze up. In Texas! Can you believe it?

Well the palisades fire was arson. How many homes were destroyed and how many permits have been issued to date to the homeowners there to rebuild?

Denmark-56% from wind.

Is this sciency enough?https://digital.physicstoday.org/phy...ticleId1721035

is this related to the renewable energy discussion, or are you just chasing anything you politically disagree with like a cat with a laser pointer?

Wind turbines operate daily in the Arctic. Does it get cold there? Or just Texas

We're not renewables evil. We are are stating that it's not viable for the majority supplier of energy to the grid. It should be but a small percentage with nat gas, coal and nuke handling the lions share of supply.

How long do they last though? Also the artic climate is very dry. Cold, but dry.

That was sarcasm. Did you ever take an English class?

wind turbines froze, but can be built better: “wind is stupid”

thermal (coal/gas/etc) plants froze but can be built better: “coal is the clean future!”

Renewables are now the largest source of electricity. So much for that small percentage...

https://www.reuters.com/sustainabili...ys-2025-10-14/

Microreactors are here. Westinghouse has the AP300 and the eVinci.

To the comment about it taking years, like in GA, yes if you're putting in a AP1000 type reactor(s). However, if they had started earlier, rather than wasting time on wind and solar, that plant would be complete and online by now.

Im sure the turbines in the arctic have heaters on the blades. The “smart” people that installed the Texas turbines didn’t put the heater option on those blades…. Because it “never” gets cold in Texas…

You get your science from memes ooooof.?

Look at areas prone to tidal flooding like Norfolk, South Florida.

Their tidal flooding has been getting worse, not better.
Those nat gas plants also went offline when it got excessively hot. It’s almost like we need a multi prong solution.

And they’re doing fine, odd