You don't check facts from randos on the internet? That explains a few things.

That chart is several years out of date and, I'd say, not terribly accurate. Several publications are no longer in print or even in business.
Plus, it's just one person's opinion.

can you believe this guy claims to be a line check airman?

what a clown lol

This is the "what is the other pilot gonna talk about this trip based on the apps on their home screen" chart

There is only one axis labeled "oh f#ck, here we go..."

If he's really a Delta captain, I would be nervous riding on his airplane with the amount of unhinged, hazardous attitudes and just basic lack of knowledge he displays here. Maybe he's just trolling though..

Just grabbed a clear version for reference. You can head over to their site for updates if you like. Little has changed in the big picture and it is well researched. Other media bias orgs consistently produce very similar outcomes, there is consensus on what is good and what is less so.

Starting a trip having never met the guy before and just looking forward to a long layover in SF to get some soup or sourdough or some good Thai food and a nice walk along the bay. He walks in before even saying hi and says "ready to go see the lawless socialist hellscape?" As a leftist or lib or (insert prejorative), I never talk bad about anywhere but Florida Man but that's a secular stereotype and pretty funny. Do you all who lean right have to deal with the left leaning pilots talking trash about a city before even introducing themselves? Genuinely curious.

Every contract negotiation since BK (when ALPA negotiated PS as part of huge wage reductions) there has been attempts by the company to "monetize" PS calculations, ie reduce them for a notional few % more in rates. The first contract post BK they were successful (would love to know what PS would be had the original calculations been preserved) and luckily in contract 2016 ver 1 (which was not passed by membership) wouldve again reduced the PS calculation to match what mgmt had already reduced the non cons to. When we rejected that change in contract 2nd round, then mgmt quickly raised the non cons back up to what the PWA had preserved. Only the latest contract negotiation did not include a proposal to reduce PS for more % on rates.

I understand the history, I remember when non-cons got less PS and when they got bumped up to ours. I just don't understand why it's written the way that it is in our PWA, because it seems like it cost the company 0 dollars when they raised the non-cons up to our formula, because it was coming from the same pool anyway and the money just came from the pilots' PS.

Yes, that's an updated version.

The grading of the chart is incredibly, laughably skewed. Alas, as much as I’d love to discuss this here, we are not going to go down this road.

Start a fresh thread in the Hangar with supporting evidence.

Not TOS appropriate there either.

What's TOS worthy about discussing the validity of news sources? I mean, sure, I can see how it would go off the rails but an honest discussion? Don't see a problem at all with that, given how critical it can be to receive the least biased and fact worthy sources.

Now I can blend my Chit Chat and APC bookmarks. Politics takes over another good forum…

Well, what did you expect? We made money in Q3, a bit more than we predicted. So once that news was out there, what else was there to discuss?

yes, Fangs, I did lob a hand grenade or 2 in here....sorry. I'll do better.

Because it's like moths to a flame. And it will immediately go off the rails, and we have to go clean up the mess.

somehow we’re allowed to talk about socialism or antifa, but not media bias

You know better…

Again, partisan politics are off limits.

nonpartisan politics are fair game?

It cost the company the amount they increased the non con plan. With the lower plan that money was just not distributed, it was not given to pilot’s instead.

That's what I used to think, but this thread has made me think otherwise. So the FAs getting our profit sharing formula didn't affect our payout?

…correct……

I don’t think this is accurate. I’ve been told multiple times that the PS pot is created by our PWA, but that money is then shared through all employees. Every other group that gets PS reduces our %.

The pot of money is PROFIT, that is created by DAL, Inc from REVENUE-COST. The PWA has some items that help increase this number, like the exclusion of special charges. ALPA EF&A monitor this number for compliance. Once the pot number is agreed upon, we get a % of that pot. Other employee groups getting a % of that same pot (their profit sharing) makes no difference to our money. The only time other employee groups can hurt profit sharing is when they cost the company more (eg raises and benefit raises). We have the same effect on their profit sharing when we have raises and benefit raises, ie we are a cost that lowers profit. Usually our raises, their raises, revenues all tend to go up together. Despite this, our % of the pot only changes based on the table in Sec 3. Another way to say this more plainly, if the other employees have 0 profit sharing or 50% profit sharing, it makes no difference to us. We get the same amount.
Other employee groups getting profit sharing really only impact the company and its shareholders- they would have less money available for retained earnings if other employee groups get more profit sharing.

The only things that effect your payout are:

1. PTIX
2. your personal eligible wages
3. the eligible wages of all employees in the pilot plan or the ground/fa plan.

Because PTIX calculations exclude profit sharing expenses, how much they give the non-cons doesn’t change anything.

The item that was discussed here and is frequently misunderstood is that the wages of the non-cons does have an effect.

To make an example, assume a calculated pool of $1 billion with pilot wages 60% of the total, and non con wages 40%. With the plans being the same, non cons will get $400 million, and pilots get $600 million. If the company cut the value of the non con plan in half, pilots would still get $600 million, non cons would get $200 million, and the other $200 million would not be distributed.

SO…. If they hire 20,000 more employees, that will raise the wages, and therefore the % of the Noncon “take”, thereby diluting our payout some amount? Do I understand that right?

Appreciate the answers, because I’m one of those who is confused… 😂

Yes your ps take home as a pilot will decrease, but the reason technically is that your percentage of total payroll is smaller.

Ok, fair enough. Still, good to know that the company growing from 80,000 pre-covid to 100,000 post-covid has impacted our PS, even if by some unknown amount.