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Whoopsmybad 12-24-2025 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3985136)
Have you asked your reps what management is asking for behind the scenes, and what the approximate monthly cost of their problem is?

Yes I have. Talked a couple weeks ago in the lounge. When did you?

Whoopsmybad 12-24-2025 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3985134)
When did I talk about ignoring a problem? Leveraging a problem is most definitely NOT ignoring it.

Just wait for management to come to us, which they aren’t, is ignoring that there is a problem.

theUpsideDown 12-24-2025 03:30 PM

Guys, negotiations are a marathon. We havent even started jogging. Youve got years ahead of you, three at least.

Take some deep breaths, we are here for decades, this isnt the last cycle youll see. This current contract isnt going anywhere, youve got 3 years or more to another one. Hit a stride for me, alright?

ancman 12-24-2025 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3985137)
Yes I have. Talked a couple weeks ago in the lounge. When did you?


Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3985138)
Just wait for management to come to us, which they aren’t, is ignoring that there is a problem.

Monday.

Management wants changes. My rep agreed with my position that we are better off leveraging its value in section 6, using it to achieve significant improvements across the entire contract. Signing additional LOAs and MOUs to address management’s needs only undermines our bargaining position at this point.

Additionally, as I’ve said 100 times already, management isn’t even adhering to the MOU that they already agreed to.

Whoopsmybad 12-24-2025 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3985140)
Monday.

Management wants changes. My rep agreed with my position that we are better off leveraging its value in section 6, using it to achieve significant improvements across the entire contract. Signing additional LOAs and MOUs to address management’s needs only undermines our bargaining position at this point.

And as I’ve said 100 times already, management isn’t even adhering to the MOU that they already agreed to.

Cool. Your info is more up to date than mine. And if that’s the case, then the reps are on it.
Still doesn’t mean it’s the massive leverage you think it is. Because my reps I was talking to said it is, but not as much as the loudest people think it is…

ancman 12-24-2025 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3985141)
Cool. Your info is more up to date than mine. And if that’s the case, then the reps are on it.
Still doesn’t mean it’s the massive leverage you think it is. Because my reps I was talking to said it is, but not as much as the loudest people think it is…

Several million per month offers more leverage than any other unexpected contractual win in recent history. Where else do you think comparable leverage will be coming from? Lanyards and pickets? The scary lady in Raleigh, 3-4 years down the road?

Whoopsmybad 12-24-2025 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3985143)
Several million per month offers more leverage than any other unexpected contractual win in recent history. Where else do you think comparable leverage will be coming from? Lanyards and pickets? The scary lady in Raleigh, 3-4 years down the road?

I just don’t think we have the leverage you think we do. Does not mean I’m not going to push for the contract we deserve.

NJGov 12-24-2025 04:22 PM

Promises?
 
I don’t understand where some of you keep standing behind the company’s “promise” to implement QS?

im pretty near certain that won’t come before a TA because they know how much it divides us as a group

but can anyone of you “PRO” MOU people can show me where the company completely, swiftly, or correctly fulfilled a promise in this decade I’ll eat crow and start supporting it myself

ancman 12-24-2025 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3985148)
I just don’t think we have the leverage you think we do. Does not mean I’m not going to push for the contract we deserve.

That’s not subjective. It’s a quantifiable, growing amount.

In your view, what is our greatest piece of leverage going into the next round?

GutterGuard 12-24-2025 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3985150)
That’s not subjective. It’s a quantifiable, growing amount.

In your view, what is our greatest piece of leverage going into the next round?

Management's greatest piece of leverage comes from reading APC


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