It’s weird, however an enlightening window into his psyche. He uses a legitimate VA program as a “scam” to contrast the other guy’s example of M7 paid 7 times over one footprint.

So, a pilot flying while pulling VA disability is a scam while working another equally legitimate contract to get paid 7 times to do no work is just smart business.

Thank you for proving my point. Neither are a scam. That won't change the perspective for outrage crowd.

It's still a scam. Just a PWA compliant scam.

23.S.3.b. for the 2:00.

Wait, which is it?

I don’t subscribe to the use of the word “scam” WRT 7 23M7 payments in one day. While it’s rhetorically expedient, it’s overly dramatic.

But the sentiment that 7 23M7 in one day is outrageous and needs to be fixed/addressed, I absolutely agree with. As does ALPA, judging by the question to that effect on the survey. A very telling question.

Right, it doesn’t fully fix their issue like I originally thought. But this will help them get back in front of the short term day to day staffing curve. Instead of a constant room on fire scenario they will likely be able to more easily fix short term manning and not constantly getting further and further behind. Ultimately resulting in less 3X pay trips. That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.

It’s not a scam, it’s a function of the PWA. It absolutely could and should be more equitable in due time. The timeliness of the PWA and its gains are paramount but that will resolve this issue as well.

While I opposed the MOU and would again given a chance for the reasons stated above and the partial relief Nan describes along with a lack of enforcement. At least as much as one can oppose something already enacted. We are at the point where we have to accept reality and move forward maximizing our leverage and position. Who here wants another prolonged negotiation with TVM arguments and full retro shenanigans? Building cost pressure is the only real lever.

It’s amazing how many don’t see this. It’s as if people believe that our leverage falls out of the sky every few years simply because the contract becomes amendable.

I’m fortunate that my MEC reps aren’t going to succumb to the Internet outrage mob on this one, despite all the emotional emails they’re receiving with uninformed terms like “scam!!!” being flung around.

I agree - it's not a scam - it's the way the contract sees the issue. Should it be this way.. probably not. But I'm sure the company sees using PB days to drop the first day of a HND and earn huge amounts of pay as "Scam" as well.

Is it a scam to the pilot group.. I'd say no.. we're just "utilizing the contract.."

Both of them are just "not as we thought it would play out.."

The "scam" part is one pilot getting paid 7 trips over the footprint of a single trip. The 23M7 payments aren't a scam but if a pilot gets one, that should lock them out over the footprint for another so it goes to the next pilot.

Does anyone think the current situation is sustainable for the next 2 years? I'll eat crow if we sign a TA +/-1 month of our amendable date.