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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 4005887)
If someone is concerned about getting woken up they can plug those parameters in their slip request. There should only be one award window. I’d be fine extending it from 12 to maybe 20 minutes (which is a lot faster than 12 times a hundred etc) to give ppl more time to see what it is, look up commutes, etc. For those who don’t want to pre commit, they have the same seniority based 20 minute window to decide. IF you don’t want a 2am call for a 6am report, send it to dnd or put that in the slip requests.
Anyway, QS are effectively a trial-run of what some folks here are describing (elimination of the "accept" phase) for other slips. It will be interesting to see how behavior pans out. |
Originally Posted by Verdell
(Post 4005911)
Regarding the bold, exactly which parameter do I put into a slip to ensure I don't get woken up for a trip that isn't mine to ack? Besides AA.
Anyway, QS are effectively a trial-run of what some folks here are describing (elimination of the "accept" phase) for other slips. It will be interesting to see how behavior pans out. |
Originally Posted by Prospect
(Post 4005940)
The difference between what I'm suggesting and QS is QS has 1 shared 12 min window for everyone, and what I'm suggesting is everyone has 1 individual 12 min window to agree to fly a trip. The key difference being a QS wakes up the whole batch, and this system would only wake you up if the trip was yours. If the company has time to wait for the GS, they pay 200%. If they do not, they pay 300% to run QS. Move OOBWS to below GS in the coverage ladder. Problems solved.
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Originally Posted by Verdell
(Post 4005943)
Ummm…. What you are describing is batch size of 1, aka universal auto accept.
How did we end up back here again? |
Originally Posted by Prospect
(Post 4005946)
Call it what you want. What's wrong with the idea?
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Originally Posted by Prospect
(Post 4005946)
Call it what you want. What's wrong with the idea?
They have no interest in every pilot’s slip defaulting to auto-accept on (which is essentially what that would do). It would slow coverage further. (Edit: Verdell beat me to it.) |
Originally Posted by Prospect
(Post 4005940)
The difference between what I'm suggesting and QS is QS has 1 shared 12 min window for everyone, and what I'm suggesting is everyone has 1 individual 12 min window to agree to fly a trip. The key difference being a QS wakes up the whole batch, and this system would only wake you up if the trip was yours. If the company has time to wait for the GS, they pay 200%. If they do not, they pay 300% to run QS. Move OOBWS to below GS in the coverage ladder. Problems solved.
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Originally Posted by ancman
(Post 4005953)
The only change you suggest that the company would be interested in is moving OOBWS below GS.
They have no interest in every pilot’s slip defaulting to auto-accept on (which is essentially what that would do). It would slow coverage further. (Edit: Verdell beat me to it.) I've read this thread and don't recall anyone saying what is wrong with this setup (or anyone bringing up this combo except me). |
Originally Posted by Prospect
(Post 4005968)
This is completely illogical. Currently to get a trip covered they have to give folks time to both accept it and then acknowledge it. This would require them to only give time for folks to acknowledge it. There is no universe that just removing a time-consuming step would increase the time to get a trip covered. That would benefit the company. Combined with the OOBWS move which would get rid of 95% of the gunk in the system, trips would get covered quite quickly by GS.
I've read this thread and don't recall anyone saying what is wrong with this setup (or anyone bringing up this combo except me). When scheduling runs WS/OOBWS/GS coverage, it begins with a 12-minute ARCOS offer window. During that time, everyone with auto-accept on automatically accepts the trip, and those without auto-accept on can manually accept. This initial 12-minute window has never been an issue. This is what you’re proposing to eliminate. The true issue (for the company) is that after that step, each pilot who has accepted the trip now receives an individual 12-minute award window. If 50 pilots have auto-accept on, then the second step takes 10 hours. If 100 pilots have auto-accept on, it takes 20 hours. In a category with 100 auto-accepts, the step you’re proposing to eliminate currently occupies 1% of the time required for coverage (12 minutes out of 1,212 minutes). The other 99% of coverage time (1,200 minutes) is spent on the second step, the award window phase. Under your proposal, that step would actually take more time, as now every pilot has auto-accept on rather than only some. |
Originally Posted by ancman
(Post 4005970)
You appear to not understand how the process works.
When scheduling runs WS/OOBWS/GS coverage, it begins with a 12-minute ARCOS offer window. During that time, everyone with auto-accept on automatically accepts the trip, and those without auto-accept on can manually accept. This initial 12-minute window has never been an issue. This is what you’re proposing to eliminate. The true issue (for the company) is that after that step, each pilot who has accepted the trip now receives an individual 12-minute award window. If 50 pilots have auto-accept on, this step takes 10 hours. If 100 pilots have auto-accept on, it takes 20 hours. In a category with 100 auto-accepts, the step you’re proposing to eliminate currently occupies 1% of the time required for coverage (12 minutes out of 1,212 minutes). The other 99% of coverage time (1,200 minutes) is spent on the second step, the award window phase. Under your proposal, that step would actually take more time, as now every pilot has auto-accept on rather than only some. |
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