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Old 05-06-2026 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Not really Joe. Both airbus and boeing, rather than designing something totally new, went with old designs and tweaked them a bit. Examples of "new" designs - 787, 330, 350, A220. Don't get lost in what is a new design, and what is a "new" airplane".

Don't look at certifications either, the FAA and EASA are going to demand that any "change" to an aircraft be tested and certified. That's just how they CYA. MAX 10 and 7 should be flying right now. They are basically the same as the 8/9. Yet, here we are. I could write a book about it, but not going to do that on a forum.
According to Google, first 737 flight was April 1967. First A320 flight was February 1987. Looks like 20 years.
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Old 05-06-2026 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Not really Joe. Both airbus and boeing, rather than designing something totally new, went with old designs and tweaked them a bit. Examples of "new" designs - 787, 330, 350, A220. Don't get lost in what is a new design, and what is a "new" airplane".

Don't look at certifications either, the FAA and EASA are going to demand that any "change" to an aircraft be tested and certified. That's just how they CYA. MAX 10 and 7 should be flying right now. They are basically the same as the 8/9. Yet, here we are. I could write a book about it, but not going to do that on a forum.
I thought that the A320 was a clean sheet design. I know they used some A310/a300 architecture. Do you have any info that you can share? I'm curious.
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Old 05-06-2026 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by waldo135
According to Google, first 737 flight was April 1967. First A320 flight was February 1987. Looks like 20 years.
Yeah for the classic. Look up the NG. The first flight of the NG was 1993. It was the 3rd derivative of the 737 line.

Disingenuous.
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Old 05-06-2026 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Bauers
I thought that the A320 was a clean sheet design. I know they used some A310/a300 architecture. Do you have any info that you can share? I'm curious.

It was. Before that only Boeing and MD were making NB jets. The jet went into design and development in 1984. The 321 followed very shortly after introduction of the A320 into revenue service with Air France around 1988. The 321 entered revenue service circa 1994 or so.
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Old 05-06-2026 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Bauers
I thought that the A320 was a clean sheet design. I know they used some A310/a300 architecture. Do you have any info that you can share? I'm curious.
The A320 was clean sheet. The A330 is a stretched A300 with longer wings and a new flight deck taken from the A320.
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Old 05-06-2026 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by flyingfiddler
The A320 was clean sheet. The A330 is a stretched A300 with longer wings and a new flight deck taken from the A320.
So was the 757. The 320 went into service 4 years after the 75 did (roughly).

Again, fan bois gonna fan boi. The 320 and it's derivatives have been around a while.

About the 330. Yes, you could say the 75 was a derivative of the 72, it was to some extent. You could say the 73 was a derivative of the 72. You could say the 319 was derivative of the 320. Just as you can say the 330 is a derivative of the 300. You could say the 76 was a derivative of the 75. Semantics. Not sure what your point is here.
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Old 05-06-2026 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
The design is actually not 60 years old. The NG was a redesign of the classic. But why bother with facts....

The MAX is not 60 years old. Its very new. The NEO is not "new" either. It's just a 321 with different engines on it. The 321 is nothing more than a 320. Same wing, same aerodynamics. Nothing really "new" about it other than it's "new" off the factory line. Same as the MAX 10 will be.




Yes, the 73 fleet here at DAL is the most reliable and dispatch-able fleet we have.
The wing is actually slightly different between the 320 and 321. Look at the flaps next time you’re behind one waiting for takeoff. Compared to the 737 which externally are identical the 321 is better suited for its stretch vs the 900.
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Old 05-06-2026 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
The wing is actually slightly different between the 320 and 321. Look at the flaps next time you’re behind one waiting for takeoff. Compared to the 737 which externally are identical the 321 is better suited for its stretch vs the 900.
And the 321neo flaps are different than the 321ceo
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Old 05-06-2026 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
The wing is actually slightly different between the 320 and 321. Look at the flaps next time you’re behind one waiting for takeoff. Compared to the 737 which externally are identical the 321 is better suited for its stretch vs the 900.
No, it's not.
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Old 05-06-2026 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
And the 321neo flaps are different than the 321ceo
Learn something new everyday… I only flew the 321 NEO and standard 319/320.
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