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Old 05-01-2026 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by khergan
Nobody has made the claim the cockpit is any better. The radar is much much better, it's quieter, that's about the extent of the cockpit. It flies better too.

For the pax it definitely is a better product if only due to the reduced noise.
Well, what else could be that much better about it than the NG? They didn't change the fuselage. The sky interior is already pretty nice IMO, but I don't think much is different for the MAX.
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Old 05-01-2026 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
Well, what else could be that much better about it than the NG? They didn't change the fuselage. The sky interior is already pretty nice IMO, but I don't think much is different for the MAX.
The LEAP engine is much quieter. Look up the shark bite nacelle sometime, that was the whole point of it, noise reduction. Like someone else said, it's not 321N quiet but it has less noise in both the back and in the cockpit.
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Old 05-01-2026 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by khergan
The LEAP engine is much quieter. Look up the shark bite nacelle sometime, that was the whole point of it, noise reduction. Like someone else said, it's not 321N quiet but it has less noise in both the back and in the cockpit.
Def gonna be more reliable.

We've still got 321s in the desert with holes. Way to go PW...


For the flying the MAX will be doing for us the cabin is going to be very adequate for the pax. As much a the NEO fan Bois want to thump their chests, it's still not the best NB aircraft built - that would be th 75. Always will be 😁
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Old 05-06-2026 | 11:16 AM
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As I've posted here before in recent months, MAX 10 is clearing a lot of test points. Still waiting on the FAA decision for the cowl anti-ice. That should be forthcoming here in the next few weeks(???)

MAX10 cleared some more test points, high speed rejected takeoffs. Cleared them nicely. That was another major milestone for the aircraft. Boeing is pushing the tests hard and aggressively. Looks like they are on track to clean up the tests by end of the summer. Just waiting on the FAA and the cowl anti-ice decision. That would be the last major hold-up in the test phase (it's been tested and the FAA has all the results, Boeing is just waiting on their ruling).
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Old 05-06-2026 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Def gonna be more reliable.

We've still got 321s in the desert with holes. Way to go PW...


For the flying the MAX will be doing for us the cabin is going to be very adequate for the pax. As much a the NEO fan Bois want to thump their chests, it's still not the best NB aircraft built - that would be th 75. Always will be 😁
The NEO is a result of prioritizing efficiency, it doesn't burn a lot of fuel, but it doesn't have a lot of TOW to play with and its heavy so with high fuel loads theres a chance people get left behind from what I've heard. Of course that won't happen to a plane that's between 34-50k lbs heavier at MTOW.
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Old 05-06-2026 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Def gonna be more reliable.
It's 60 years old, it better be reliable after all that time to figure it out.
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Old 05-06-2026 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Khantahr
It's 60 years old, it better be reliable after all that time to figure it out.
The design is actually not 60 years old. The NG was a redesign of the classic. But why bother with facts....

The MAX is not 60 years old. Its very new. The NEO is not "new" either. It's just a 321 with different engines on it. The 321 is nothing more than a 320. Same wing, same aerodynamics. Nothing really "new" about it other than it's "new" off the factory line. Same as the MAX 10 will be.




Yes, the 73 fleet here at DAL is the most reliable and dispatch-able fleet we have.
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Old 05-06-2026 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
The design is actually not 60 years old. The NG was a redesign of the classic. But why bother with facts....

The MAX is not 60 years old. Its very new. The NEO is not "new" either. It's just a 321 with different engines on it. The 321 is nothing more than a 320. Same wing, same aerodynamics. Nothing really "new" about it other than it's "new" off the factory line. Same as the MAX 10 will be.




Yes, the 73 fleet here at DAL is the most reliable and dispatch-able fleet we have.
The first flights of those two aircraft were 20 years apart. They were designed in different eras.
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Old 05-06-2026 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
The design is actually not 60 years old. The NG was a redesign of the classic. But why bother with facts....

The MAX is not 60 years old. Its very new. The NEO is not "new" either. It's just a 321 with different engines on it. The 321 is nothing more than a 320. Same wing, same aerodynamics. Nothing really "new" about it other than it's "new" off the factory line. Same as the MAX 10 will be.




Yes, the 73 fleet here at DAL is the most reliable and dispatch-able fleet we have.
The fly by wire spoilers on the Max make it much more enjoyable to fly. That and it being a lot more quiet make it less of a penalty box than the NG. The cockpit space, unfortunately, is the same.
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Old 05-06-2026 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Bauers
The first flights of those two aircraft were 20 years apart. They were designed in different eras.
Not really Joe. Both airbus and boeing, rather than designing something totally new, went with old designs and tweaked them a bit. Examples of "new" designs - 787, 330, 350, A220. Don't get lost in what is a new design, and what is a "new" airplane".

Don't look at certifications either, the FAA and EASA are going to demand that any "change" to an aircraft be tested and certified. That's just how they CYA. MAX 10 and 7 should be flying right now. They are basically the same as the 8/9. Yet, here we are. I could write a book about it, but not going to do that on a forum.
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