Openers today?
04-06-2026 | 12:20 PM
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04-06-2026 | 12:23 PM
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This is the best logic against a short-term agreement I've seen.
04-06-2026 | 12:23 PM
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Honest question: Why is ALPA pushing for a short term agreement vs a normal contract period? What is the benefit to the pilot group?
Also where did they get that idea? I highly doubt it was from the contract survey…..
I’ll keep my powder dry till I see it, but I am also deeply suspicious of any TA announced early in the process. It brings back bad memories of Donatelli and his “6 months early and the best contact in the history of the world!! BS”
(For those that weren’t here at the time, in 2015 DALPA and the company signed a TA 6 months early and ALPA sold it like a used car salesman. It ended up getting rejected by the pilot group and we got a better deal a year and a half later).
Also where did they get that idea? I highly doubt it was from the contract survey…..
I’ll keep my powder dry till I see it, but I am also deeply suspicious of any TA announced early in the process. It brings back bad memories of Donatelli and his “6 months early and the best contact in the history of the world!! BS”
(For those that weren’t here at the time, in 2015 DALPA and the company signed a TA 6 months early and ALPA sold it like a used car salesman. It ended up getting rejected by the pilot group and we got a better deal a year and a half later).
04-06-2026 | 12:26 PM
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I get that this is meant to be a short term deal, and thus not as in-depth, but there was nothing about
Health insurance
Sick improvements
Reserve Rules
Extra vacation week to match United
Penalties for incorrect pay
And I'm sure there are others I am not thinking about.
I feel like this TA is already doomed to fail.
Health insurance
Sick improvements
Reserve Rules
Extra vacation week to match United
Penalties for incorrect pay
And I'm sure there are others I am not thinking about.
I feel like this TA is already doomed to fail.
04-06-2026 | 12:27 PM
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Instead of framing it as “giving up” auto accept, how about we just let the company and the union redesign the system in a fair and modern way instead of this archaic 1980s crap that only benefits 23M farmers and leaves anyone hoping for a GS or WS in the dust. There should be a way to fairly dole out premium flying with the tech we have in 2026.
04-06-2026 | 12:29 PM
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From: pj's and coffee
1. Don’t negotiate in public.
2. It’s literally opener exchange day and guys are already saying they don’t like the approach. GMAFB. Wind your watch for a hot minute and see what develops before summarily deciding you don’t support our negotiating committee.
3. That all said: I didn’t expect to get the actual opener verbatim in my email (see #1), but that was underwhelming after the lead up from ALPA. I for one hope they beef up the “why” explanations behind the rationale to go this path in the weeks that follow.
2. It’s literally opener exchange day and guys are already saying they don’t like the approach. GMAFB. Wind your watch for a hot minute and see what develops before summarily deciding you don’t support our negotiating committee.
3. That all said: I didn’t expect to get the actual opener verbatim in my email (see #1), but that was underwhelming after the lead up from ALPA. I for one hope they beef up the “why” explanations behind the rationale to go this path in the weeks that follow.
04-06-2026 | 12:29 PM
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Honest question: Why is ALPA pushing for a short term agreement vs a normal contract period? What is the benefit to the pilot group?
Also where did they get that idea? I highly doubt it was from the contract survey…..
I’ll keep my powder dry till I see it, but I am also deeply suspicious of any TA announced early in the process. It brings back bad memories of Donatelli and his “6 months early and the best contact in the history of the world!! BS”
(For those that weren’t here at the time, in 2015 DALPA and the company signed a TA 6 months early and ALPA sold it like a used car salesman. It ended up getting rejected by the pilot group and we got a better deal a year and a half later).
Also where did they get that idea? I highly doubt it was from the contract survey…..
I’ll keep my powder dry till I see it, but I am also deeply suspicious of any TA announced early in the process. It brings back bad memories of Donatelli and his “6 months early and the best contact in the history of the world!! BS”
(For those that weren’t here at the time, in 2015 DALPA and the company signed a TA 6 months early and ALPA sold it like a used car salesman. It ended up getting rejected by the pilot group and we got a better deal a year and a half later).
04-06-2026 | 12:36 PM
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I get that this is meant to be a short term deal, and thus not as in-depth, but there was nothing about
Health insurance
Sick improvements
Reserve Rules
Extra vacation week to match United
Penalties for incorrect pay
And I'm sure there are others I am not thinking about.
I feel like this TA is already doomed to fail.
Health insurance
Sick improvements
Reserve Rules
Extra vacation week to match United
Penalties for incorrect pay
And I'm sure there are others I am not thinking about.
I feel like this TA is already doomed to fail.
But “increase instructor protections” is on the short list. I’m a little confused.
04-06-2026 | 12:36 PM
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I get that this is meant to be a short term deal, and thus not as in-depth, but there was nothing about
Health insurance
Sick improvements
Reserve Rules
Extra vacation week to match United
Penalties for incorrect pay
And I'm sure there are others I am not thinking about.
I feel like this TA is already doomed to fail.
Health insurance
Sick improvements
Reserve Rules
Extra vacation week to match United
Penalties for incorrect pay
And I'm sure there are others I am not thinking about.
I feel like this TA is already doomed to fail.
04-06-2026 | 12:37 PM
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Honest question: Why is ALPA pushing for a short term agreement vs a normal contract period? What is the benefit to the pilot group?
Also where did they get that idea? I highly doubt it was from the contract survey…..
I’ll keep my powder dry till I see it, but I am also deeply suspicious of any TA announced early in the process. It brings back bad memories of Donatelli and his “6 months early and the best contact in the history of the world!! BS”
(For those that weren’t here at the time, in 2015 DALPA and the company signed a TA 6 months early and ALPA sold it like a used car salesman. It ended up getting rejected by the pilot group and we got a better deal a year and a half later).
Also where did they get that idea? I highly doubt it was from the contract survey…..
I’ll keep my powder dry till I see it, but I am also deeply suspicious of any TA announced early in the process. It brings back bad memories of Donatelli and his “6 months early and the best contact in the history of the world!! BS”
(For those that weren’t here at the time, in 2015 DALPA and the company signed a TA 6 months early and ALPA sold it like a used car salesman. It ended up getting rejected by the pilot group and we got a better deal a year and a half later).
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