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04-06-2026 | 12:44 PM
#32
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I get that this is meant to be a short term deal, and thus not as in-depth, but there was nothing about
Health insurance
Sick improvements
Reserve Rules
Extra vacation week to match United
Penalties for incorrect pay
And I'm sure there are others I am not thinking about.
I feel like this TA is already doomed to fail.
Health insurance
Sick improvements
Reserve Rules
Extra vacation week to match United
Penalties for incorrect pay
And I'm sure there are others I am not thinking about.
I feel like this TA is already doomed to fail.
“Improve the value of vacation” could include either more vacation or higher value vacation, also broad
Penalties for incorrect pay and sick improvements are both pipe dreams in the current state of affairs IMO. The company is currently on a huge vendetta against all things reliability related including sick, and it would all but certainly come at a ridiculously huge negotiating cost compared to what it’s worth. Spending tons of negotiating capital fighting entirely meaningless “reliability letters” and good faith basis calls paid for by the company is exactly what the company wants us to do.
I will judge any agreement by total value, and for me, nothing is a dealbreaker except a low value deal.
04-06-2026 | 12:49 PM
#33
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Anything missing this is a no from me. It is obviously everyone's #1 priority because all the gains in the world mean nothing if the company isn't going to pay them correctly. The current 3-6 month process invoicing a double denial review followed by Dart results in thousands of pilots missing pay that will never be recovered because they're not pay experts.
It's also a zero cost item. The company can't say "pay mistakes penalties will cost us X dollars", because they would be admitting to wage theft. It will ultimately cost them zero dollars in penalties because they would be forced to fix the problem.
It's also a zero cost item. The company can't say "pay mistakes penalties will cost us X dollars", because they would be admitting to wage theft. It will ultimately cost them zero dollars in penalties because they would be forced to fix the problem.
04-06-2026 | 12:55 PM
#35
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the company is screwed right now, see FlightAware cancellations yesterday and today, because they are critically understaffed, and part of their problem is the trip coverage process. In the long term, they can hire their way out of it, but in the short term, the only thing they can do to solve it is negotiate with us. Solving their problems now is a lot more valuable to them than solving them in the future, which means more value for us too. If the company doesn’t play ball with a VERY good, focused deal, then we can pursue normal negotiations.
04-06-2026 | 12:59 PM
#36
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This is an easy win that costs the company zero money. Our nonrev agreements are a joke compared to United, much less southwest or JetBlue. Having the option to book business class zed could be worth thousands for someone who likes to go overseas on their off days.
04-06-2026 | 01:03 PM
#37
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the company is screwed right now, see FlightAware cancellations yesterday and today, because they are critically understaffed, and part of their problem is the trip coverage process. In the long term, they can hire their way out of it, but in the short term, the only thing they can do to solve it is negotiate with us. Solving their problems now is a lot more valuable to them than solving them in the future, which means more value for us too. If the company doesn’t play ball with a VERY good, focused deal, then we can pursue normal negotiations.
04-06-2026 | 01:06 PM
#38
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Giving up all of the leverage we currently have for a ‘short term agreement’ so that the company can put the screws to us when we no longer have that leverage is nuts.
I’m very wary of any short term deal that the company desperately wants. They literally cannot be trusted, so why would we ever trust them? It needs to be done the right way.
04-06-2026 | 01:14 PM
#39
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I don’t think the next 9 months will fully fix their problems without our help, but they can certainly make a dent in their problems.
04-06-2026 | 01:14 PM
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We have nothing to do with the coverage process. If the company refuses to staff and train crew scheduling, it’s not our fault, nor our responsibility to fix. All of their problems are a result of them failing to properly staff the airline, both for pilots and crew scheduling. Our system has zero resiliency because they insist on cutting costs in an unsustainable way.
Giving up all of the leverage we currently have for a ‘short term agreement’ so that the company can put the screws to us when we no longer have that leverage is nuts.
I’m very wary of any short term deal that the company desperately wants. They literally cannot be trusted, so why would we ever trust them? It needs to be done the right way.
Giving up all of the leverage we currently have for a ‘short term agreement’ so that the company can put the screws to us when we no longer have that leverage is nuts.
I’m very wary of any short term deal that the company desperately wants. They literally cannot be trusted, so why would we ever trust them? It needs to be done the right way.
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