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Frank Grimes 05-06-2026 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Wolf424 (Post 4032549)
Auto Accept wasn’t a problem until they understaffed the airline. We used it for years. However it became a problem when:

-the company didn’t hire enough pilots
-ran the op hotter than ever
-eliminated credit in almost every NB trip
-decided it necessary to call 500+ pilots per batch at 2am
-eliminated PB days as we knew them
-preposted rest for reserve pilots
-assigned the maximum # of SCs to every Res pilot
-increased the hostile attitude towards pilots in comms

Should this really be a shock?

That’s not even considering that a pilot has to check 3 different cumbersome websites to ensure they are paid correctly. And when they aren’t (which is often), it can take weeks for the company to fix it. How that’s even possible in 2026 is seriously baffling to me.

It didn’t become a problem until word of mouth of 23m7 reached a critical mass where auto accept caused steps of trip coverage not to be able to be completed before the trip stared, not anything you mentioned. It’s simple math.

The pilots are the final reason for the system breaking, but we’re not to blame if you peel back the onion as to why people started to learn about using auto accept.

Delta757 05-06-2026 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by PositiveRate20 (Post 4032592)
Lots of headlines about not enough pilots or whatever the story is. I'd really love to see a headline about Delta's shorting of pilot pay and the thousands of unresolved pay issues that stay in cue for months. Very curious what the general public would think about that.

I've found the public to be extremely unsympathetic towards us regarding pay issues, and I honestly don't blame them. A lot of people are short on money and the amount we make even when shorted compared to them....... Not condoning pay shortages at all, they're unacceptable, but I think the strategy is actually counter productive.

The public does seem to be a lot more receptive towards safety and rest issues.

Casualinterest 05-06-2026 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Delta757 (Post 4032607)
I've found the public to be extremely unsympathetic towards us regarding pay issues, and I honestly don't blame them. A lot of people are short on money and the amount we make even when shorted compared to them....... Not condoning pay shortages at all, they're unacceptable, but I think the strategy is actually counter productive.

The public does seem to be a lot more receptive towards safety and rest issues.

this is accurate.

Delta757 05-06-2026 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Frank Grimes (Post 4032605)
It didn’t become a problem until word of mouth of 23m7 reached a critical mass where auto accept caused steps of trip coverage not to be able to be completed before the trip stared, not anything you mentioned. It’s simple math.

The pilots are the final reason for the system breaking, but we’re not to blame if you peel back the onion as to why people started to learn about using auto accept.

Except the company can skip past all that. They have adequate time to cover every single trip. 8 hours prior to report and they can throw on a short call or run a 12 minute quick slip. That incurs a pay penalty, sure, but let's not pretend auto accept is driving these cancellations. It's increasing the cost of things, but the cancellations themselves are almost entirely understaffing of schedulers and pilots.

Rooster435 05-06-2026 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Delta757 (Post 4032610)
Except the company can skip past all that. They have adequate time to cover every single trip. 8 hours prior to report and they can throw on a short call or run a 12 minute quick slip. That incurs a pay penalty, sure, but let's not pretend auto accept is driving these cancellations. It's increasing the cost of things, but the cancellations themselves are almost entirely understaffing of schedulers and pilots.

Whose going to take those trips? Middle of the night call to report early. No commuters are taking it and with the amount of premium going out most locals are just going to wait for something a little more gentlemanly.

notEnuf 05-06-2026 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by beernutt (Post 4032594)
-pilots let greed overcome scruples (and bragged about it) causing proliferation


just adding a point to your list

If an uncovered SS goes out as a GS or QS is that 3x or 4x pay? Sign of the times. Define greed and scruples in this context.

Delta757 05-06-2026 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 4032613)
Whose going to take those trips? Middle of the night call to report early. No commuters are taking it and with the amount of premium going out most locals are just going to wait for something a little more gentlemanly.

Yep exactly, but that is a staffing issue and not a coverage issue. They can use 23M7 to offer trips at 200% pay 8 hours out... That is adequate time. Maybe not for a commuter in the middle of the night but that has always been and will always be an issue (though one could argue they could've offered more silver slips in advance).

But yes, there is so much open time that there is so much premium so guys can be selective. That is indeed a pilot understaffing issue. Increase the pilots and there will be more of us to pick up this open time or take it as a short call, and that extra competition will make guys less picky, which will also increase trips being picked up.

It's easy to blame the coverage side of things on auto accept, but I'm just not seeing it, whether you think it's unethical or not.

tennisguru 05-06-2026 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 4032615)
If an uncovered SS goes out as a GS or QS is that 3x or 4x pay? Sign of the times. Define greed and scruples in this context.

No. A SS trip loses the SS designation, and any associated premium pay, when it hits the manual coverage window 2 days out. Once manual coverage starts it simply pays based on whatever step it gets covered at (plus 23m7 if used). A SS can only ever awarded through PCS, not manual coverage.

Xray678 05-06-2026 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Frank Grimes (Post 4032605)
It didn’t become a problem until word of mouth of 23m7 reached a critical mass where auto accept caused steps of trip coverage not to be able to be completed before the trip stared, not anything you mentioned. It’s simple math.

The pilots are the final reason for the system breaking, but we’re not to blame if you peel back the onion as to why people started to learn about using auto accept.

Auto Accept was starting to become an issue years ago. About three years ago I got a GS to GRU. Very last minute after the previous crew timed out over a mx issue. I got to the airport in about an hour. About 45 minutes later the first FO showed up. Maybe two hours after that the second FO showed up. On the flight down he explained to me what took so long. He had to wait while they worked their way through all the Auto Accept. Was the first time I heard about it.

Hotel Kilo 05-06-2026 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Frank Grimes (Post 4032605)
It didn’t become a problem until word of mouth of 23m7 reached a critical mass where auto accept caused steps of trip coverage not to be able to be completed before the trip stared, not anything you mentioned. It’s simple math.

The pilots are the final reason for the system breaking, but we’re not to blame if you peel back the onion as to why people started to learn about using auto accept.

We didn't "break" anything. They did. It's been broken since late 2018. We are not the ones trying to get more blood from the turnip. They are. We exercise our contract. A contract we BOTH agreed to.

Try to remember what side of this equation you're on. Thank you.


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