Originally Posted by nene

Because when CS gives up on trying to fill the onerous amounts of OOBWS requests filed by pilots all over the country who have no intention of commuting and flying a WS in that base, they have no choice but to go to QS (inserted before IA) and essentially paying triple to cover every premium trip. They'd love to have a system where GS ruled the premium again, but they can rarely get to that step of coverage before really jamming up the schedule. All QS did was insert some seniority into the IA process which was a free-for-all and often causes deal making.

Originally Posted by nene

Respectfully, (not defending some of the companies moves), but this feels like a pilots/company created phenomenon. The fact that many categories never even get to GS stage of trip coverage often tells me a combo of CS inexperience, and OOBWS/WS shenanigans is F'ing up the system that had prevailed for a generation.

I don't have the data (and don't care that much about it since I can't control it) but we've been run VERY hot before. Long before ALPA put in the reroute restrictions (IDK but circa 2018 or so) there was a time where we were so short that the company just rerouted you almost every rotation to cover broken trips. Only thing that stayed mostly constant was start/stop day. Newer contracts have put serious $$$ penalties to that behavior and even tho we may be short, there has to be oodles of pilots who would come in for GS pay, just never given the opportunity, meanwhile the company pays daily triple time on multiple trips.

IMO, we can all go "yeah, we have the company by the shorthairs" as they prioritize completion over costs at the moment, but this cost will come from the hides/wallets of the hordes of other pilots who won't sit around and farm for 23M7.

That provision for years was to cover immediate happen chances, like "hey, pilot here on scene wants to fly, but someone was due a chance for that trip", so to make everyone whole and cover the trip. For most of my time here, it was seldom used, now it's used on most of the premium trips in my category, effectively making them all pay triple time. That is not sustainable to the company, and not equitable to the pilot group as a whole.

Originally Posted by crewdawg

Even when they do have SC available who are legal, they're completely missing them and going to QS. So they're paying M7 and QS, when they could just pay M7 and use a reserve. Their lack of automation is costing them bigly!

Originally Posted by nene

It’s been that way for at least a decade. I used to sit a lot of reserve and I would be on sc yet they’d go to gs right away and leave me in the breach. I think cs sees sc as insurance policy if gs doesn’t attract pilots.

Originally Posted by nene

It’s been that way for at least a decade. I used to sit a lot of reserve and I would be on sc yet they’d go to gs right away and leave me in the breach. I think cs sees sc as insurance policy if gs doesn’t attract pilots.

Originally Posted by notEnuf

You are only going a single step into this analysis. It's because the company chooses to run "a little hot" setting up the circumstances for 23M7. The root cause has nothing to do with pilots. The company exploited 23M7 and then negotiated its expanded use. They chose to design schedule coverage around their newfound win and... consequences. Add in their batch size choices and PB day consent choice and you no longer have people readily available or willing to come in on off days. Commuters can be farmers too and probably had more OBWS experience than the masses.

Originally Posted by Delta757

The autoaccepting phenomenon would never have happened if they used reasonable batch sizes, period, end of story. Completely their fault it led to this.

Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad

as a point of order, when we had reasonable batch sizes, tons of people had the slips in hoping for batch size violations. Just a different version of the same story.

Originally Posted by Extenda

happened to me the other day. Weird 1 day trip 6 hours to report. 6 SC As available, a few on the B side. Went out as QS both seats. Mind boggling they’re paying 300% when they could pay 100% for the trip.