Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-25-2012, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Free Bird
mainline jets at time of merger 767
mainline jets today 720
difference -47
Proposed Narrowbody jets 88
- difference in parked mainline jets 47
growth mainline airframes 41
41 717's = 70 76 seaters
Plus a hard cap of 450 DCI aircraft, until the next contract of course when the line in the sand can once again be moved.
mainline jets today 720
difference -47
Proposed Narrowbody jets 88
- difference in parked mainline jets 47
growth mainline airframes 41
41 717's = 70 76 seaters
Plus a hard cap of 450 DCI aircraft, until the next contract of course when the line in the sand can once again be moved.
05-25-2012, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
"Logbook." I'm going to start reading the checklist like that on my next trip on Sunday.
05-25-2012, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
"Were you in the squadron where the crew chief was blowing the pilot?"
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05-25-2012, 08:52 PM
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Quick question.
SFO & LAX. SFO is a little easier to get to, but both about the same amount of time.
Going to NRT. SFO has 767 Business and LAX has 747 Business. Having never been on a 747 with the flat-bed config (never been on a 747 period), is it worth just a little more hassle to get to LAX?
Both flights have seats. I either drive to SFO or fly a commuter to LAX, I'll need to leave the house at the same time regardless. Is the ride in the 747 worth the extra leg?
Thx,
Humboldt
SFO & LAX. SFO is a little easier to get to, but both about the same amount of time.
Going to NRT. SFO has 767 Business and LAX has 747 Business. Having never been on a 747 with the flat-bed config (never been on a 747 period), is it worth just a little more hassle to get to LAX?
Both flights have seats. I either drive to SFO or fly a commuter to LAX, I'll need to leave the house at the same time regardless. Is the ride in the 747 worth the extra leg?
Thx,
Humboldt
05-25-2012, 08:53 PM
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And thus gloopy and Check Essential expand the Brotherhood of The Profession.
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05-25-2012, 09:11 PM
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Couple of highlights from the DTW LEC chairman:
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This is a cost neutral contract for the company and a lost opportunity for Delta pilots.
“We have deep respect for the process of membership ratification. Our vote was based on the quality of the TA not on your right to vote on the agreement.” I voted no because:
The TA did not satisfy the guidance and parameters as communicated by line pilots and the MEC
Known money was left on the table. This one time savings is based on a change to the PWA allowing for increased 76 seat aircraft and parking of additional 50 seat aircraft and the associated maintenance costs
The MEC could have modified the direction [of the negotiating committee], but that did not occur.
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Carl
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This is a cost neutral contract for the company and a lost opportunity for Delta pilots.
“We have deep respect for the process of membership ratification. Our vote was based on the quality of the TA not on your right to vote on the agreement.” I voted no because:
The TA did not satisfy the guidance and parameters as communicated by line pilots and the MEC
Known money was left on the table. This one time savings is based on a change to the PWA allowing for increased 76 seat aircraft and parking of additional 50 seat aircraft and the associated maintenance costs
The MEC could have modified the direction [of the negotiating committee], but that did not occur.
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Carl
05-25-2012, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The humor is in the truth!!!
05-25-2012, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Humboldt
Quick question.
SFO & LAX. SFO is a little easier to get to, but both about the same amount of time.
Going to NRT. SFO has 767 Business and LAX has 747 Business. Having never been on a 747 with the flat-bed config (never been on a 747 period), is it worth just a little more hassle to get to LAX?
Both flights have seats. I either drive to SFO or fly a commuter to LAX, I'll need to leave the house at the same time regardless. Is the ride in the 747 worth the extra leg?
Thx,
Humboldt
SFO & LAX. SFO is a little easier to get to, but both about the same amount of time.
Going to NRT. SFO has 767 Business and LAX has 747 Business. Having never been on a 747 with the flat-bed config (never been on a 747 period), is it worth just a little more hassle to get to LAX?
Both flights have seats. I either drive to SFO or fly a commuter to LAX, I'll need to leave the house at the same time regardless. Is the ride in the 747 worth the extra leg?
Thx,
Humboldt
There is a reason that there were a few articles in local newspapers when the west coast A-330 flights to NRT became a 767. The articles were not complimentary.
The entertainment selection and the seat itself is vastly superior.
05-25-2012, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Couple of highlights from the DTW LEC chairman:
-------------------------
This is a cost neutral contract for the company and a lost opportunity for Delta pilots.
“We have deep respect for the process of membership ratification. Our vote was based on the quality of the TA not on your right to vote on the agreement.” I voted no because:
The TA did not satisfy the guidance and parameters as communicated by line pilots and the MEC
Known money was left on the table. This one time savings is based on a change to the PWA allowing for increased 76 seat aircraft and parking of additional 50 seat aircraft and the associated maintenance costs
The MEC could have modified the direction [of the negotiating committee], but that did not occur.
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Carl
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This is a cost neutral contract for the company and a lost opportunity for Delta pilots.
“We have deep respect for the process of membership ratification. Our vote was based on the quality of the TA not on your right to vote on the agreement.” I voted no because:
The TA did not satisfy the guidance and parameters as communicated by line pilots and the MEC
Known money was left on the table. This one time savings is based on a change to the PWA allowing for increased 76 seat aircraft and parking of additional 50 seat aircraft and the associated maintenance costs
The MEC could have modified the direction [of the negotiating committee], but that did not occur.
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Carl
The fact is that this thing is well below the contract survey, and that has been well acknowledge.
Well.. where to we go from here? Swallow this big pill and be glad we have something in our stomach now? Or fight it out and risk going hungry?
05-25-2012, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Apparently, as per the C54 letter, nodded to in this, and from other inside sources, there was a push to go back and try to get more money before the big vote. They knew it had little wow factor.
The fact is that this thing is well below the contract survey, and that has been well acknowledge.
Well.. where to we go from here? Swallow this big pill and be glad we have something in our stomach now? Or fight it out and risk going hungry?
The fact is that this thing is well below the contract survey, and that has been well acknowledge.
Well.. where to we go from here? Swallow this big pill and be glad we have something in our stomach now? Or fight it out and risk going hungry?
I've been on the company side of this in another life and a negotiator....our acquiescence is startling. We took the first offer from a company that wanted to expedite negotiations. What, what, what? And we didn't go back with at least a cursory "no, they won't accept that" "how about this?" I'm not saying it can't get better....I'm saying how do we know?
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