Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-26-2012, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I know of one really good nugget, the DPMP premiums went down to 22% of plan cost from 31% if my memory serves me correctly. That is impressive in this day and age.
Now if we could just send this thing back through the grinder and shore up some stuff, I'd be very happy to pass it and get on with life.
05-26-2012, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Any bets on the extent that the TA will not pass? I'm thinking 2-1, or ~67% NO, meaning go back to the table.
05-26-2012, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Yes. Status quo forever, until a new PWA is negotiatied.
No, that's why the DPA question is presently moot. This is DALPA's process now from start to finish. Afterwards, we live with the contract til renegotiatied regardless of the union.
Carl
No, that's why the DPA question is presently moot. This is DALPA's process now from start to finish. Afterwards, we live with the contract til renegotiatied regardless of the union.
Carl
05-26-2012, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That is very high up there on my list of positives for this thing.
Now if we could just send this thing back through the grinder and shore up some stuff, I'd be very happy to pass it and get on with life.
Now if we could just send this thing back through the grinder and shore up some stuff, I'd be very happy to pass it and get on with life.
05-26-2012, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
SLC briefing said the DPA question is an issue. NMB lady said if there is a representational issue on the property they will put us on ice until it's finished. Worst case we go to mediation and have a vote open at the same time. Some guy in the back of the lounge said we should vote it in, take the money and then vote for representation in time for the openers in early 2015 as it would take two years to sort that battle out assuming the same timeline as IFS. The Pit and The Pendulum...
The issues guys are bringing up are glaring and significant but easily fixable.
05-26-2012, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That is very high up there on my list of positives for this thing.
Now if we could just send this thing back through the grinder and shore up some stuff, I'd be very happy to pass it and get on with life.
Now if we could just send this thing back through the grinder and shore up some stuff, I'd be very happy to pass it and get on with life.
05-26-2012, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
100% agreed. I've searched and searched and tried to bring myself to where I could be happy with a yes vote, but there are too many loopholes and things left to be desired.
I'd be all for pulling the thing back, taking a little while longer and getting it right. The company wants to make some moves, and I would like them to be wildly successful. Getting this right the first time out of the gate will make a world of difference for the company's future (and in turn, our careers).
I'd be all for pulling the thing back, taking a little while longer and getting it right. The company wants to make some moves, and I would like them to be wildly successful. Getting this right the first time out of the gate will make a world of difference for the company's future (and in turn, our careers).
05-26-2012, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
The funny thing about all of this is that we are shooting holes in this contract trying to find a way around provisions that management might exploit, yet we all believe managment when they tell us, Wall Street, the other 70,000 employees and the other airlines who will "match" our pay that this is "cost neutral." On one hand we don't believe managements plan, which I say is clearly defined because they want to take lift from DCI and move it to DL vis a vis 717 (fact) and then we believe a stupid press release meant to tell the rampers not to expect anything more than they are already getting. ***? Ford & Harrison et al has us chasing our tails.
Do you know if we had to pay through a bargaining credit or work rule concessions for the early out? Did they mention that in the slc crew room?
05-26-2012, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I dunno? Looking at the positives and negatives in this deal really has me wonder about real day one valuation increases.
Do you know if we had to pay through a bargaining credit or work rule concessions for the early out? Did they mention that in the slc crew room?
Do you know if we had to pay through a bargaining credit or work rule concessions for the early out? Did they mention that in the slc crew room?
The early out should have been offered with all other employee groups right before the last MD bid...
I'm sure there are more than a few pilots commuting or on a smaller jet because of not offering the plan to all employees.
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05-26-2012, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I dunno? Looking at the positives and negatives in this deal really has me wonder about real day one valuation increases.
Do you know if we had to pay through a bargaining credit or work rule concessions for the early out? Did they mention that in the slc crew room?
Do you know if we had to pay through a bargaining credit or work rule concessions for the early out? Did they mention that in the slc crew room?
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