mynameisjim

Tell the Continental pilots about how the CBA prevents a merger partner from bringing in additional RJs. The same happened to Delta and NWA, no RJs were parked as a result of either of your contracts.

Jack Bauer

Round and round we go....

The bottom line is there are more total large RJ's. That's the threat/problem which cannot be ignored regardless of semantics and shell games.

Large RJ's can do flying currently performed by Delta mainline due to their economics. But you already knew that from the hundreds of times this fact has been pointed out.

casual observer

I don't recall the Delta pilot group rejecting a TA. If you consider pay rates and working conditions to other passenger airlines today, I believe a strong case could be made that Delta is the best airline to work for. This time may be different, but if all the previous yes votes have helped result in our current relative prosperity, why do you feel so confident that a yes vote on this TA will be so detrimental?

rvr350

May I ask what is your current seat and seniority range?

I hope that you're not voting the way you wish to vote because how your colleagues are voting. There're good stuff in this TA, but please do your homework and know what else comes with this TA. So far, EVERYTHING that comes out from the union has urged you, implored you, encouraged you (you get the idea? to vote YES. That is a fact. You have to ask yourself, are you inclining to vote Yes Or No because of how your union has asked you to vote?

Read the TA, ask yourself some hard questions, "Does this xxx clause will hold up in front of a mediator?", "Does this xxx clause will improve my job security? immediately, in 10 years?" I understand it is not easy to understand some of the verbiage used in the TA, and that's why it's important to ask questions, either here, talk to your reps, go find a friend, and be sure to make sure you hear BOTH sides of the story.

Good luck.

Jack Bauer

OK Slowplay, Pineapple Guy or whatever management/ALPA stooge you happen to be....

I will overlook everything that tells me this will screw my career and permanently damage the plight of most Delta/Major airline pilots. Now I'm voting YES. Yay.

Screw the profession.

Screw our health and family life.

Screw any advancement for another ten years while we continue to shrink (do more with less pilots).

Screw it all all. As long as I get a few more beans. Maybe I can grow a bean stock and find riches at the top. That's a good career plan I think. It makes as much sense as you do.

acl65pilot

Jack;

Honest observation here:
This sort of post is not going to win any votes to your opinion. Argue the facts. Go though the ta and cite parts of the contract pilots can reference to make your case.

forgot to bid

255 hard cap now.

Then we will increase hard cap to 325 after this TA passes.

And then in three years on the next TA as these RJs are rolling off the assembly line we'll get Delta to shrink the hard cap to... wait... what's the long term plan again on shrinking the large RJ fleet???


FTB
Willing to give up a $20k raise with questionable work rules now, to get a better TA.

johnso29

The 70 seaters are not under long term contract. Many of the 70 seat leases are up in 2015. There really isn't anything to stop a 1:1 trade with 70 seaters to 76 seatsrs.

gloopy

I am more than willing to call their bluff on future GTF 50 seaters. Even if someone invests the R&D on them, the capex for those POS's will still be through the roof relative to the amount of revenue they can generate. The fuel savings won't be that great either based on current economies of scale in the 10-15% (even 20%) range over existing technology. Those are very generous numbers anyway since the efficiency really only amortizes itself over larger economies of scale (larger AC). So even at 15-20% less fuel burn (which is a very, very generous estimate) far more expensive 50 seaters would be a really pee poor investment and I challenge them to repeat the same multibillion dollar hemorrhaging mistakes of the Fred Reid era bonus mongers. They won't do it. Hey batter batter batter batter, swing! Let's dare them to do it, even if it becomes a real plane, which it won't.

casual observer

I'm a reserve international F/O living at the base. I'm not going to vote based on what other people think, but I'm open to being influenced by them. My own interests are this: The raise is appealing, the reserve enhancements are appealing. I'm not concerned if a scope issue delays my upgrade to captain, but I would be concerned if there is a credible threat to junior guys being furloughed. I think there is a potential to vote no and work for a better deal. I think it is equally likely that a no vote could result in a delayed, less attractive agreement if market conditions change. I think there is a hard to quantify value to good will. All in all, I think the agreement is as good as our union leadership thinks it could get and entails less risk, because it can be renegotiated in 3 years. I guess the only thing that's going to sway me is the credible threat to the jobs of junior delta pilots.