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Old 04-28-2012 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Carl, I agree if it sucks has a scope sale and a large raise with a promise of more mainline flying and new hired it is going to take a lot of ppl to unify and vote no. Let's see what they deliver.
The over all growth of an airline this size has nothing to do with allowing a few more 76 seaters or not. We are either going to grow because of market conditions or we are not.

Trying to bribe us with the present business cycle is ridiculous. And there is no way more large RJ's is really going to cause an airline this massive to grow. If we fall for that one we are even dumber than they think we are.
Old 04-28-2012 | 09:24 AM
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I'm just going to interview in my Comair uniform.

Tool!!

We when I come down in my new suit, I'll have soup on my tie and rib grease on my fingers.
Old 04-28-2012 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
True ... But this is a lot like Romney`s campaign. I might have to hold my nose and vote for the right wing socialist over the left wing socialist. Pilots are expressing their displeasure with ALPA, not support for the DPA .


But a NO vote for ALPA is also a NO vote for the company. The company LOVES ALPA. Voting for another union is a double smack.
Old 04-28-2012 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Lysithea25
Sad but true. That's why I chuckle when i read 'if ALPA doesn't fix scope, they're gone' type posts. Maybe, but i highly doubt it. I'm going to photo copy my ballot this time. I don't beleive anyone who says thay voted no anymore.
The difference is 4000+ pilots took the time to fill out a card and actually send it in. That shows displeasure, at least. So, throw in a weak TA and the sell game along with it, and that may actually push it over the edge.
Old 04-28-2012 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
OK donning my tin foil conspiracy cap for this but it is an honest question. Who tallies the votes on these contracts? Is there an independent real time audit to make sure there is no "tom foolry" if you know what I mean? Can we get some non ALPA contract selling guys in to verify the numbers when this does come to a vote? Some of these votes in the past...everybody "voted no" and it passed. I hate to ask this but for piece of mind how does the process work? How can we "trust but VERIFY"?
I've thought about that too. I have no problem with a vote of public record where any DALPA pilot can see how the entire list voted if the trade off is 100% reliability and accountability. It'll never happen though.
Old 04-28-2012 | 09:34 AM
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I bet if we started a new thread here on APC (so it is easy to find for all); had one of the resident English gifted students write a generic letter that could be easily cut/copy/pasted/emailed; many letters would FLOOD our reps Inboxes this weekend!

They might get quite a few letters from other airline guys worried about a scope giveaway too!
Old 04-28-2012 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by LandGreen2
I bet if we started a new thread here on APC (so it is easy to find for all); had one of the resident English gifted students write a generic letter that could be easily cut/copy/pasted/emailed; many letters would FLOOD our reps Inboxes this weekend!

They might get quite a few letters from other airline guys worried about a scope giveaway too!
Whereas we don't want more 76 seaters outsourced,

Whereas we aren't falling for that junk anymore,

Whereas the total number of 76 seaters outsourced needs to shrink if anything,

Therefore be it resolved that you better not outsource more 76 seaters.

That's the Cliff's Notes version. Someone more wordy can buff it out to a couple pages.
Old 04-28-2012 | 09:47 AM
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I can't believe we are trying to figure out how much worse one section of our concessionary contract is going to be when submitted as a TA.

Just say that out loud a few times.
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
The difference is 4000+ pilots took the time to fill out a card and actually send it in. That shows displeasure, at least. So, throw in a weak TA and the sell game along with it, and that may actually push it over the edge.
But 4000 cards sent in is very far from 4000 votes for DPA. I know a lot of people who sent in cards to let ALPA know of their displeasure, but have no intention of voting for DPA if the time comes.

Oops, in any case, guess this is for another thread eh?

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Old 04-28-2012 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Whereas we don't want more 76 seaters outsourced,

Whereas we aren't falling for that junk anymore,

Whereas the total number of 76 seaters outsourced needs to shrink if anything,

Therefore be it resolved that you better not outsource more 76 seaters.

That's the Cliff's Notes version. Someone more wordy can buff it out to a couple pages.
Actually, Gloop, I think your version would get the point across VERY nicely.

No more BS, no more fluff. I'm going to cut and paste this in a letter to my reps.

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