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Old 05-07-2012 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

We do not see a "benefit" to that now since we are over staffed, but going forward, DAL is going to be quite short and in some instance min staffed as they train up the airline. We are looking at at least 17 years of constant retirements necessitating the need for significantly positive AE's. This little nugget may get a line holder the swap he/she wants when we are no longer fat staffed in the coming years.

Every reserve showing AVAIL will help.
This short staffing combined with the ability to fly us more hours is the perfect storm for quality of life/health decrease. Not somewhere I want to go for 17 years.

One principle I think bears repeating, pay comes and goes (goes quickly when in the 10 year BK cycle managements have started using), work rules once gone rarely come back. We are seeing that now. Let's fix work rules to improve QOL, not take away from it.
Old 05-07-2012 | 05:43 PM
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Get rid of all DCI tomorrow, end AS codeshare, 30/5/5/5, we sign off on all new JV, a real, immediately enforceable balance on all current JVs, further tightening of all holes in Section 1...and I'd THINK about voting yes to these work rule changes.
Old 05-07-2012 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by firstmob
ACL I thought you sodded over everthing.
Nope, just a half acre.
Old 05-07-2012 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LivingTheDream
Your kidding right? As I told my rep, if Delta wants to be inefficient, that is their choice...but they still need to pay me to be away from my family...being away from my family for my employer = (wait for it) work. I.e. If I go one minute past midnight, it's another day of pay. Very tired of the deadhead only day, 24hr layovers, red-eyes, etc., not paying for my time away from my family. YMMV. I will vote accordingly.
I agree with that.
Old 05-07-2012 | 05:46 PM
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And this my friend is only one reason to suspect a POS agreement. Having an ADC in lieu of a minimum calendar day is beyond comprehension!
It's not what I put in my survey.
Old 05-07-2012 | 06:37 PM
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees this as a piece of crap. I just hope the pilots on the line feel the same as on this board. I am truly in disbelief about how bad things have gone. Things I never in a million years thought we would give up are under consideration.
Old 05-07-2012 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You should if you're going to brag NOW about how ALPA will be delaying this for 10+ years because of their deep pockets. The exact same smarmy behavior seen from corrupt management teams who look to shirk their responsibilities instead of manning up for their own actions. Rooting for this type of behavior as johnso29 has done is creepy. It's not what trade unionists should be bragging about. Carl
Well the goods news is that if DPA becomes our union/association we won't have to worry about it. We will just be unionists, not trade unionists.
Old 05-07-2012 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees this as a piece of crap. I just hope the pilots on the line feel the same as on this board. I am truly in disbelief about how bad things have gone. Things I never in a million years thought we would give up are under consideration.
I was on a hotel bus today and overheard a conversation between a regional guy and a fairly senior looking wide body FO. This FO did not know if we were hiring or furloughing, and also didn't know when our contract was amendable. Pretty sure this guy is either an easy yes vote on anything, or not even going to vote. It's hard for me to imagine how one could be so unaware. I hope there aren't many like that, but I fear otherwise.
Old 05-07-2012 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
I was on a hotel bus today and overheard a conversation between a regional guy and a fairly senior looking wide body FO. This FO did not know if we were hiring or furloughing, and also didn't know when our contract was amendable. Pretty sure this guy is either an easy yes vote on anything, or not even going to vote. It's hard for me to imagine how one could be so unaware. I hope there aren't many like that, but I fear otherwise.
They are out there and they have been sitting in the right seat of a WB for some time....
Old 05-07-2012 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LivingTheDream
Your kidding right? As I told my rep, if Delta wants to be inefficient, that is their choice...but they still need to pay me to be away from my family...being away from my family for my employer = (wait for it) work. I.e. If I go one minute past midnight, it's another day of pay. Very tired of the deadhead only day, 24hr layovers, red-eyes, etc., not paying for my time away from my family. YMMV. I will vote accordingly.
You're right man. I've given this another look and my previous thought that maybe this could be accepted by getting SWAPA's scope - still wouldn't be enough. I originally saw this ALV stuff as an example of neutral bargaining where you give away something to get something. But this is a straight-up concession. This would be neutral bargaining if the increases in ALV were offset by a 6.5 to 7 hour per day minimum daily credit...but that's NOT the case. Thus the folks here calling this a flat out concession are right.

Absolute NO vote from me and yet another urging of my reps to vote this down. I cannot imagine how our MEC bureaucrats could be this out of touch with us.

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