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bluejuice71 09-01-2012 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1254711)
but.... hot young jailbait stickerboob??


I did the long OAK layover last night... looong van ride this morning, and even better the van driver fell asleep at the wheel this morning. When he woke up he jumped and jerked the wheel to the right. I think we all thought we were gone. The FA in front of me was the only one not wearing a seatbelt.... he quickly donned it.

It always amazes that almost none of the crew members buckle their seatbelts in the vans. I always don mine. I've seen a lot of close calls.

Jesse 09-01-2012 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1254707)
:D



I have to say, I did 3 years of reserve under the raw system and have been under this system since it started. Long call under the old system in my view was better for more pilots and the same QOL for senior pilots. SC under the new system is better for all pilots.

I've been on the horn with DALPA about this since January and basically their reply is this:
  • 80 raw score represents 5 or 6 days flying and a short call and that is why we will stick with it. It's low enough.
  • This implementation was exactly designed to bring seniority back into the reserve system.
  • Under the old reserve system senior pilots did not fly for weeks and junior pilots broke guarantee on a regular basis. The company wanted to equal this situation out hence the RUO/RAW system, but that relegated seniority out of the system, the SOT was directed to correct it, company said no, SOT pushed for YS to a point or as far as we could.
  • Upon reply80 raw score is not too high, it only represents 5 or 6 days of flying plus a short call.

See that part about the company wanting to equal out the situation? I think they will figure out a way making it a... well... I mean who cares what a cow thinks?

"80 raw score represents 5 or 6 days flying and a short call and that is why we will stick with it."

So if I say something like "my pay raise is actually 5% 10% 5% 5%" does that make it so?

Maybe 6 days of flying and a SC that gets you a 2 day trip will get you into the second bucket, but 6 days of flying and a SC alone will not do it. Well, maybe if all 6 days are 15-hour days......don't know the parameters they're using to come to this conclusion. Find it interesting that even though this is patently false it's still put out as supposed truth.

80ktsClamp 09-01-2012 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1254761)
"80 raw score represents 5 or 6 days flying and a short call and that is why we will stick with it."

So if I say something like "my pay raise is actually 5% 10% 5% 5%" does that make it so?

Maybe 6 days of flying and a SC that gets you a 2 day trip will get you into the second bucket, but 6 days of flying and a SC alone will not do it. Well, maybe if all 6 days are 15-hour days......don't know the parameters they're using to come to this conclusion. Find it interesting that even though this is patently false it's still put out as supposed truth.

In reality, bucket 2 of 80 actually requires about 40 hours of credit.

Justdoinmyjob 09-01-2012 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1254710)
Thread tangent: our long layover hotel in SFO is a youth hostel. Nice location but.........

Interesting. I've been here since yesterday and all I've seen are old people and crew members walking around.

johnso29 09-01-2012 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1254762)
In reality, bucket 2 of 80 actually requires about 40 hours of credit.

Yeah, I'm calling BS on that too. If that is what DALPA thinks 5-6 days and a SC gets you then they need to be drug tested. It's going to take more then that to get to a RAW of 80.

80ktsClamp 09-01-2012 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1254785)
Yeah, I'm calling BS on that too. If that is what DALPA thinks 5-6 days and a SC gets you then they need to be drug tested. It's going to take more then that to get to a RAW of 80.

It's ok, there were 300 early outs as projected as well. :)

buzzpat 09-02-2012 04:29 AM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1254766)
Interesting. I've been here since yesterday and all I've seen are old people and crew members walking around.

I'm referring to the size of the rooms. ;)

redship 09-02-2012 04:34 AM

With all this reserve talk I figured I'd share my summer experience as a jr 88B in ATL. I acknowledge that I am jrand therefore I shouldn't complain. This is more sharing then anything else.

June: over 90 hours and one SC. I did yellow slip at the end of the month and bank.

July: flew ALV (I think 82 hrs) and one SC and got the last week of the month off.

August: about 100 hrs and one SC. Got a green slip as a bottom reserve and was called about a second. Never yellow slipped.

I was able to make some extra cash on my own accord but next summer I will be flying every single day to ALV+15 without a choice. That sucks. On top of that, I will now only get 12 days off during each of the three busiest months.

As you can see, I don't get too many SCs because I can't get a single weekend off and I am always assigned a rotation before I get a SC or the credit that should go towards a SC (assigned a rotation that starts more then 12 hrs from the start of SC). If there happens to be a day later in the month that I am in the second bucket (having flown about 8 days already) and am not assigned a rotation, I get SC because I haven't had any yet. Now I will probably fly before a guy who hasn't flown at all, simply because that guy was in the next bucket for SCs.

MoonShot 09-02-2012 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by redship (Post 1254809)
With all this reserve talk I figured I'd share my summer experience as a jr 88B in ATL. I acknowledge that I am jrand therefore I shouldn't complain. This is more sharing then anything else.

June: over 90 hours and one SC. I did yellow slip at the end of the month and bank.

July: flew ALV (I think 82 hrs) and one SC and got the last week of the month off.

August: about 100 hrs and one SC. Got a green slip as a bottom reserve and was called about a second. Never yellow slipped.

I was able to make some extra cash on my own accord but next summer I will be flying every single day to ALV+15 without a choice. That sucks. On top of that, I will now only get 12 days off during each of the three busiest months.

As you can see, I don't get too many SCs because I can't get a single weekend off and I am always assigned a rotation before I get a SC or the credit that should go towards a SC (assigned a rotation that starts more then 12 hrs from the start of SC). If there happens to be a day later in the month that I am in the second bucket (having flown about 8 days already) and am not assigned a rotation, I get SC because I haven't had any yet. Now I will probably fly before a guy who hasn't flown at all, simply because that guy was in the next bucket for SCs.

It sounds like ATLM88B is fairly tightly staffed right now? Looks like MSPM88B is fat right now (looking at Sept reserve levels) and NYCM88B is fat to so/so and CVGM88B is so/so.

How many MD90's do they have left to enter the system? Does anyone know what % increase in the pilot block hours will result from the additional 90's and when the deliveries will cease?

sailingfun 09-02-2012 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by redship (Post 1254809)
With all this reserve talk I figured I'd share my summer experience as a jr 88B in ATL. I acknowledge that I am jrand therefore I shouldn't complain. This is more sharing then anything else.

June: over 90 hours and one SC. I did yellow slip at the end of the month and bank.

July: flew ALV (I think 82 hrs) and one SC and got the last week of the month off.

August: about 100 hrs and one SC. Got a green slip as a bottom reserve and was called about a second. Never yellow slipped.

I was able to make some extra cash on my own accord but next summer I will be flying every single day to ALV+15 without a choice. That sucks. On top of that, I will now only get 12 days off during each of the three busiest months.

As you can see, I don't get too many SCs because I can't get a single weekend off and I am always assigned a rotation before I get a SC or the credit that should go towards a SC (assigned a rotation that starts more then 12 hrs from the start of SC). If there happens to be a day later in the month that I am in the second bucket (having flown about 8 days already) and am not assigned a rotation, I get SC because I haven't had any yet. Now I will probably fly before a guy who hasn't flown at all, simply because that guy was in the next bucket for SCs.

It looks like you volunteered to fly beyond the reserve max. If you do the same next summer then ALV plus 15 has no effect on you. You will also be considered full at a lower value next summer and have vacation and other leave periods counted toward being full which offsets part of the ALV plus 15. They can't fly you to ALV 15 once you have reached the reserve max. They can only send you out on a trip if you are below the max.


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