On a positive note, I think October is when we start getting an extra day off on reserve as long as the ALV's are < 74ish +/- 2ish.

Well AS is way over 66, and HA falls short of 60. Spirit does too.......

Thanks iaflyer! Just what I was looking for.

Thanks for all the info. As for the above, what does "beach" mean?

As for the 767-300, are you saying he said they could all be gone in 3 years? :eek: How many AC are we talking about? APC shows 16 −300's and 58 300ER's. Are the engines so different on the non ER that all 16 could have to be parked, or is it all 74 total? Either way that seems hard to believe from a "they don't support the engine" angle. I mean really?

Pretty sure he's only referring to the domestic -300's.

The closest I could come to guessing was Frontier? Srsly? Now you could get to that figure with a literally unlimited combination if you use multipile airlines/fragmentations but HI is too small and AS is too big, VX too small and JB too big. SO what kind of wildcard scenario would it take to add 66 planes from other airline(s)?

The company refers to the domestic/non-Biz Elite 767s are "767-300" and the 767-300ER with Biz Elite seating as 767-300ERs, so it's on the domestic ones that are going.

It's not much of a surprise to see the domestic ones go - the company had said all along that the 737-900ER was going to replace A320s, 757s and 767-300s.

Everyone is getting wound up over 66 more airplanes. I like having more airplanes like the next guy, but Crew Resource and Network can barely decide if we're keeping the 19 DC-9s or not. They may have a "plan" for 2015, but it's written in stone just like the 2012 plan was (and changed) and the 2013 plan will be.

I guess, but still. Are the engines really so rare that they will have to be parked? In any case I'd like to see Boeing rock out a new ER with its GTF out since the line is staying open longer. It wouldn't cost them any 787 sales for a long time as the line is fully committed either way, and they could churn out a semi next-gen AC with a much higher level of reliability and total operating/ownership numbers that would absolutely rock. If it was successful and eventually ended up costing future 787 sales, it would also cost future A350 sales by steering that metal to Boeing. IMO they are missing a massive opportunity not doing that.

Absent the critical component, the pilot contract, which the company just confirmed, this refleeting wouldn't have happened. Thank goodness most of the Delta pilots didn't have tin hats on, there never is guaranteed growth in any CBA. The contracts can however create the environment for growth, which this one did. Most of us saw that and the reps had the courage to make the right call.

Keep the "what other airline" cartoon stuff out of it. The company had to acquire 717s or 319 for the Delta pilots with this CBA not some future JCBA, in order to execute on its refleeting plan, which included a rapid and massive reductions of DCI jets in.

With 796 mainline aircraft, the company could have been authorized 240 76-seat jets, thanks to this new contract, they'll only get 223.