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DeadHead 09-07-2012 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1257408)
Absent the critical component, the pilot contract, which the company just confirmed, this refleeting wouldn't have happened. Thank goodness most of the Delta pilots didn't have tin hats on, there never is guaranteed growth in any CBA. The contracts can however create the environment for growth, which this one did. Most of us saw that and the reps had the courage to make the right call.

Keep the "what other airline" cartoon stuff out of it. The company had to acquire 717s or 319 for the Delta pilots with this CBA not some future JCBA, in order to execute on its refleeting plan, which included a rapid and massive reductions of DCI jets in.

With 796 mainline aircraft, the company could have been authorized 240 76-seat jets, thanks to this new contract, they'll only get 223.

Ah, Bill.....How I've missed you.;)

forgot to bid 09-07-2012 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1257453)
Note that the projected fleet count is well below what it would have had to be for DCI to get 70 more jumbo RJs.

88 growth airplanes? Nope! Only a few more than what we had when we merged.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...4/facepalm.jpg

I do think (hope) we'll start hiring sooner rather than later...

Good points all the way around especially the hiring part.

Yeah, I think 796 mainline jets per the old PWA would've meant we had 29 airplanes above the 31DEC2008 merger total. So per the 3:1 language of the old PWA they'd been able to add 3 76 seaters per mainline jet added above that 767 benchmark.

So 29 x 3 = 87 more 76 seaters. So 155 + 87 = 242 76-seaters. But they'd had to park 87 70-seaters to stay below the 255 max jumbo RJ limit.

So that'd been 796 mainline jets and 255 jumbo RJs vs 796 and 325 jumbo RJs.

tsquare 09-07-2012 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1257457)
Don't worry 80kts, DALPA is putting it back in the bag, one aging inefficient 50-seater at a time, as early as 4 years before they'd have come off lease anyways - and at the low, low cost of two additional outsourced Compasses! Winning! :D

You got a resume in somewhere? The latest thing I have seen is one carrier being shut down, and I'll bet there are more to come. And don't take that as gloating, but it goes to show that your attitude is absolutely wrong. Hope you can find a job when yours goes away.

tsquare 09-07-2012 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1257461)
Good points all the way around especially the hiring part.

Yeah, I think 796 mainline jets per the old PWA would've meant we had 29 airplanes above the 31DEC2008 merger total. So per the 3:1 language of the old PWA they'd been able to add 3 76 seaters per mainline jet added above that 767 benchmark.

So 29 x 3 = 87 more 76 seaters. So 155 + 87 = 242 76-seaters. But they'd had to park 87 70-seaters to stay below the 255 max jumbo RJ limit.

So that'd been 796 mainline jets and 255 jumbo RJs vs 796 and 325 jumbo RJs.

Finish the square. How many mainline aircraft could they then park under your scenario?

forgot to bid 09-07-2012 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1257455)
I'll take your word on that. I do remember that they used the company's plan that resulted in somewhere around 1.7 BLH, and I always hated that number because it is way more optimistic than the limit of the contract. That being said though, there is now a floor, and that is a good thing. You can go on hating all you want, and you are only hurting yourself. I choose to look forward and see where we are going next, and it is up from here.

Or maybe you would rather we go the route of AMR or UCal or even SWA?

I've actually seen different MBH numbers to be honest, but stuck with Alfa's numbers. Now it's all based on the BH's provided, our current ratio and the fleet totals for both sides of the fence and then solving for our hours per jet and DCIs.

So it might not be right and I would change them if someone produced the BH hours per aircraft both mainline and DCI.

forgot to bid 09-07-2012 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1257468)
Finish the square. How many mainline aircraft could they then park under your scenario?

78.


If they wanted. they don't have to. just wish they didn't have the option.

And the only way i see that happening, given the 739s intended replacement of 320s/757s/767s, is if they went after 88s or 319s. The former is more plausible to me given they require upgrading to fly into the next decades nextgen airspace and that would be sinking money into a fleet that would be 30 years old when the time comes.

That's why I want to see if they ever decide that the ROI is there to do the upgrade on the 88 and not just the 90. Finding more 90s and 717s would, imho, mean they've got their ideal 88 replacement- one that can right size up or down.

80ktsClamp 09-07-2012 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1257467)
You got a resume in somewhere? The latest thing I have seen is one carrier being shut down, and I'll bet there are more to come. And don't take that as gloating, but it goes to show that your attitude is absolutely wrong. Hope you can find a job when yours goes away.

How short is your memory? He's going to be over here very shortly after we start bringing in flow ups.

We are drastically extending the life of the regionals with this TA, though. Those jumbo RJs are going to be around for a long long time, unlike the ones they are replacing. But you knew that, right? ;)

tsquare 09-07-2012 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1257471)
I've actually seen different MBH numbers to be honest, but stuck with Alfa's numbers. Now it's all based on the BH's provided, our current ratio and the fleet totals for both sides of the fence and then solving for our hours per jet and DCIs.

So it might not be right and I would change them if someone produced the BH hours per aircraft both mainline and DCI.

I don't know why on earth you are so hung up on this. The contract was ratified, and is now our CBA. The thing to do going forward is to make it better. I think the minimum BLH floor should be more in the 2.something range. No contract is ever going to be perfect. Even the SWA guys have their issues. What we have to do is the best we can at the time, and improve when we have the opportunity. Unlike the Democrats, we have to stop blaming the other guys and deal with what we have in front of us.

And FWIW, had I heard one solid argument as to how a no vote would have resulted in a better deal, I would have joined you. I never did. Not one single solitary reason other than Hopey Changey.

You are a smart guy that has a great ability to research things. Why don't you turn that into a positive and get involved in the process instead of *****ing on an anonymous webboard?

tsquare 09-07-2012 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1257475)
How short is your memory? He's going to be over here very shortly after we start bringing in flow ups.

We are drastically extending the life of the regionals with this TA, though. Those jumbo RJs are going to be around for a long long time, unlike the ones they are replacing. But you knew that, right? ;)

I don't know who all ya'll are. That is why I am at a disadvantage here. Frankly I really don't care either.

If you want to continue living in the past, have at it. I've moved on. The only reason that I even bothered getting involved in this particular pity party is that I am bored, and the stock market is doing fine.

But now that you mention it, I do remember him now. How could I forget?

80ktsClamp 09-07-2012 11:57 AM

Watch the politics talk, t (and all reading) It stops with what you posted right there.


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