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76drvr 09-07-2012 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1257422)
I chose my words carefully.





It limited the possible number of 76-seat aircraft to 223, up from the max of 155 allowed under the old PWA unless we grew massively, but down from 255 which would've been allowed had we (again) grown massively and 70 seaters had been parked along the way.

The rest of what you said is nonsense.

Wrong again, the company could have grown the DCI 76-seat fleet to 255 under the old PWA, not anymore, now the max number is 223. That's a reduction in the number of the largest super jumbo RJs. Added bonus is that the number of 70-seat aircraft that DCI could have flown was also reduced from unlimited down to 102 and if Delta executes on its now public business plan, the overall DCI fleet dramatically reduced with system block hour percentages moved to mainline from DCI.:)

80ktsClamp 09-07-2012 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1257489)
Ok, lets change the direction of the discussion.

Here is the question proposed; What Items do you want improved or changed in our current PWA?

We may have more than just the FT/DT LOA to improve our PWA across multiple sections, and now is the time to start forward looking on what items we want to pinpoint and then discuss.

5:15 or higher min day (for any company activity- including training).

night override

vacation 4 hrs (or higher) a day

georgetg 09-07-2012 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1257489)
Ok, lets change the direction of the discussion.

Here is the question proposed; What Items do you want improved or changed in our current PWA?

We may have more than just the FT/DT LOA to improve our PWA across multiple sections, and now is the time to start forward looking on what items we want to pinpoint and then discuss.

for starters:
  • 6 hrs min pay/day for any company assigned activity.
  • Good progress making vacation go from 3 to 3:15, but vacation should be 6 hrs/day or its not really "vacation"
  • Training 6 hrs/day to have equal pay to protect line-holders and reserves alike.
  • Sitting in a hotel, in the back of a plane or short-call is for the company, thus should fall under the 6 hrs/day minimum
  • Sign-in after 22:30 reduces to 3:00 min for that day as does a release before 10:30 on the last day.
  • Reroute, recovery and all other non-scheduled flying beyond the footprint of the original rotation is payed at double time.
  • All non-assigned or traded flying lives in one pot and goes in and out with transparency and in seniority order.
  • Bring back the bow-wave.
  • Delta pilots perform at a minimum the same share of JV-flying as the JV-revenue/profit share for Delta. Reviewed annually, 3 month cure. Financial penalties for non-compliance.
  • MBH to DBH needs to be brought up to 1.92 or greater to really capture the 25% reduction of DCI.

Cheers
George

80ktsClamp 09-07-2012 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1257508)
Wrong again, the company could have grown the DCI 76-seat fleet to 255 under the old PWA, not anymore, now the max number is 223. That's a reduction in the number of the largest super jumbo RJs. Added bonus is that the number of 70-seat aircraft that DCI could have flown was also reduced from unlimited down to 102 and if Delta executes on its now public business plan, the overall DCI fleet dramatically reduced with system block hour percentages moved to mainline from DCI.:)

You do realize you're making yourself look quite foolish?


Nahhh.. you don't. Keep at it!

johnso29 09-07-2012 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1257496)
The quid was not 102 70-seat jets. The quid was 70 70-seat jets and the quo was a reduction in the max number of 76-seat jets that could be authorized, a reduction in 70-seat aircraft from unlimited to 102, a reduction in the number of 50-seat aircraft from unlimited to eventually 125, a new "100-seat" category for the mainline, a mainline to DCI block hour ratio which drives an ever higher percentage of system block hours to the mainline, better domestic code-share language, better international code share language and global joint venture protections.

At the end of it all, we have far better scope, with hard caps on a much smaller regional fleet and mainline growth. Oh yeah, and a bigger pay check.

70 seat RJs were not unlimited. They were included in the 255 cap as a large RJ is defined as 51-76 seats.

flyguy1 09-07-2012 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1257393)
Thanks for all the info. As for the above, what does "beach" mean?

As for the 767-300, are you saying he said they could all be gone in 3 years? :eek: How many AC are we talking about? APC shows 16 −300's and 58 300ER's. Are the engines so different on the non ER that all 16 could have to be parked, or is it all 74 total? Either way that seems hard to believe from a "they don't support the engine" angle. I mean really?

"Beach" refers to higher density widebodies that fly mostly leisure paxs from Japan to Hawaii. NWA had a couple of 747-200s that were configured with more seats than all the other 747-200s.
Planning said the 767s would only fly from then west coast to Hawaii and onto Japan. I believe Guam and Saipan would also see these a/c from NRT.

76drvr 09-07-2012 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1257504)
223 < 153??

I'm guessing your degree isn't in math. :rolleyes:

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Hmm, what's the max number of 76-seat RJs the company could be authorized under the old PWA. Let me see. 255

What's the max number of 76-seat aircraft the company could be authorized under the new PWA. Let me see. 223

I'm guessing you didn't do well with reading comprehension.

80ktsClamp 09-07-2012 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1257516)
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Hmm, what's the max number of 76-seat RJs the company could be authorized under the old PWA. Let me see. 255

What's the max number of 76-seat aircraft the company could be authorized under the new PWA. Let me see. 223

I'm guessing you didn't do well with reading comprehension.

But you said reduce the number of 76 seaters... We have 153 now and that is maxed out until mainline gets above 767 airplanes.

The PWA now provides a segway to growing them without increasing the mainline fleet count above 767 AND without parking 1:1 70 seaters to get there.


But, yeah... you're right. 223 is less than 153, right?

forgot to bid 09-07-2012 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1257516)
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Hmm, what's the max number of 76-seat RJs the company could be authorized under the old PWA. Let me see. 255

What's the max number of 76-seat aircraft the company could be authorized under the new PWA. Let me see. 223

I'm guessing you didn't do well with reading comprehension.

You seem to think that going from 255 51+ seaters to 325 51+ seaters is no big deal because all that matters is 76 seaters. That's as if to say the 70 seater is as much a threat as a B1900, E-120 or CRJ-200?

The 70 seaters are a big deal because... their big too.

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/temp9-11.png

This comes back around to the danger of going with the MBH : DCI ratio alone. Under the old contract to get to 223 76-seaters you'd have to grow mainline. Now you just meet a ratio, and if that ratio is too low, well then you don't have to grow mainline very much at all (if any) compared to the old contract's fleet size requirement.

You can't go it alone... with a ratio. Especially since the ramifications of changing a ratio is far more murky than changing a fleet size requirement.

DALFA 09-07-2012 12:42 PM

Question:

Everyone i've spoken to seems to be really happy with their Serengeti sunglasses so I went to the Stopover store in MSP down by the lounge and they had the display of sunglasses. So I tried them on and all their frames seem to be quite small (i've got a big head). Anyone know if the store down in ATL by the lounge on A concourse has a Serengeti display with large frames? If now...any suggestions on a good place to go look at them in the NYC area?

Thanx.


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