Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1257418)

Which is the primary reason you never give up scope in the first place.

Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1257408)

Absent the critical component, the pilot contract, which the company just confirmed, this refleeting wouldn't have happened. Thank goodness most of the Delta pilots didn't have tin hats on, there never is guaranteed growth in any CBA. The contracts can however create the environment for growth, which this one did. Most of us saw that and the reps had the courage to make the right call.

Keep the "what other airline" cartoon stuff out of it. The company had to acquire 717s or 319 for the Delta pilots with this CBA not some future JCBA, in order to execute on its refleeting plan, which included a rapid and massive reductions of DCI jets in.

With 796 mainline aircraft, the company could have been authorized 240 76-seat jets, thanks to this new contract, they'll only get 223.

Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1257419)

Could you point to the language that "guarantees" RJ growth.

Glad to see that our CBA did limit the number of possible super jumbo 76-seat aircraft and put a limit on the number of 70-seat aircraft. Also good to see that this SEC filing confirms what most Delta pilots understood, we got superior scope and mainline is going to grow thanks to this new contract. Delta pilots will now see a larger share of Delta brand flying, thanks to the pilots who actually understood the dynamics of our scope language.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1257428)

What I bolded is what I think is koolaid-spew.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1257430)

A 796 mainline fleet and a 425 DCI would probably give us a ratio of, what, 1.77?

Overkill. They'd be free to cut out some more mainline flying without touching DCI.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1257429)

He can't. He is stuck on the same invalid talking point. No matter how many times he says it, it simply isn't true.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1257433)

How do you figure it is koolaid spew? Point me to one fact that would support that POV. Can any contract guarantee growth? Or can they merely provide the vehicle in the event economic and other factors are favorable for that growth.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1257437)

Tsquare, the only way I would have an invalid talking point and be wrong on this subject is if I agreed with you.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1257435)

Fleet size doesn't matter. Read the contract.