Best to my knowledge, it's not. What I have done is call crew accomodations and ask if they have any unused rooms at our hotels. If they have the time, they'll check. If there's availability, they'll stick you in one. Works about one-third of the time.

Daily rig? Anyone?

Insufficient.

My buddy at FedEx gets 6 hours minimum on trips. Is delta comparable?

Not cool for me- as it allowed the trigger I had to bid the 320 to go through. I had my trigger set at 80%...

Cool for him. :) The statement was more to prove the point that MIL leave can come back as they can, which is the way it should be. Things tend to get lost in translation in text on the intertoobz.

It's moot now anyways as we are all deep on reserve, haha. Hold a line as an FO on the ATL 320? You can hold MD-88 CA in NY! And, you'll see more EWR than that NYC CA will ever see!

What is it with you guys? Why is it that despite the fact I read this thread religiously (maybe even addictively), the rare times I ask an innocent but reasonable question I either get insulted or completely ignored? Seriously! Am I wording it wrong? Is it a ridiculous question? Daily rig, how many hours is it???

I think it's 2 for 1 For every 2 hrs. of duty you get 1 hr. of pay. Not to be confused with trip rig..

The times for your posts:
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2316 (1:21 min later, late at night..., and only 5 or 6 content posts later)
2320 (4 min later, getting less patient, only 1 later, and that one a good joke about rig being insufficient)
2329 (9 min later, only 1:35 after initial question, kinda childish tantrum post)

That's why. Seriously dude, it's neat you're interested... but it's also obvious you don't have a real grasp of "the job" or "the life" or whatever, and as such folks aren't going to go researching crap for your sideline amusement. No offense intended truly to you here. But for illumination, I've been at Delta for 11 years, I've read the PWA and contract many times, I've looked at countless rotations and thousands upon thousands of open time rotations which all have various credits applied for trip and duty time etc.... and I STILL have NO IDEA what our rig is, right off the top of my head. And if I could define it, I am sure there are 15 legal loopholes that allow the company to NOT pay that rig, to the point where it's useless to me to know it, so I don't.
Now, I CAN tell you what the average credit is per hour for trips laying over at various places, length of layovers, pain of commuting to said trip, overall utility/goodness of various trips and configurations vs. time away from home. I CAN tell you that knowing if a trip lays over at the long or short JFK layo is vastly more important to me than the rig. I CAN tell you that I know whether I'll be able to get a beer at 40 common layover spots depending on when I arrive at the hotel, and how to increase my chances for said beer from the time I start the shutdown checklist until I rush into the bar ripping off my tie yelling, "don't turn that register off!" I can tell you which work out rooms are decent, which smell like a$$ and are hot, and which places are enjoyable to spend an evening or morning in during the endless grind of time away from home and kids we call "Delta". I can tell you which hotels I can get to sleep in, and which I'll have a hard time due to loud airco clanging on and off and streetnoise; and I can tell you which side of the hall to ask for to minimize noise and maximize sleep.
I can tell you which hotels constantly put you next to an ice machine or an elevator unless you call them on it. Which places a maid will be most likely to barge into your room after a redeye waking you up unless you post a handwritten note in addition to the hanging sign. Which places you need to rip the sheets off the bed and turn the mattress up looking for bedbugs and where you can just crash and assume all is well. I can tell you which places you need to stop by the bar and grab a water glass if you want to drink out of anything besides thin plastic, which charge $4 for bottled water in the room and which give it free.
I can tell you where to get decent coffee at most layovers, what hotels have palatable coffee and which ones you have to double bag it. Which places you have to stop at the desk upon check in and specifically ask for a coffee machine and iron. Where there is an open starbucks at 0430 hotel departures, or if it's best to just grab one in the concourse. I can tell you where are the best places to get coffee in DTW and JFK, where there are no lines, and which common starbucks or BK or McDonald's have heinous workers that it's not worth waiting in line for. Where the best breakfast sandwiches are for all those airports, where the line is short and fast, where the best salads are, etc...

ALLLL of that is much more important to me than what some duty rig algorithm is which will be applied by a computer and never checked by me. I'd bet most of that is more important to 99% of all the pilots on here. THAT is the truth about the flying life, and what you make your decisions on--daily grind quality of life.

Jeez man, I post contract questions all the time I think are just unbelievably importantly exciting to me, critical to the open time trip I'm inspecting and I really need an answer now, it's beautiful stuff I"m asking about man where's the answer!... that never get answered. So what, everyone else on here is doing the same as me, browsing around for something interesting about our job that will make me say, "Hunh, didn't know that!" or "Those Baaaaaaasttidges!!" or "wuba wuba brrrrrrrr looka that underboob!" or just laugh.

So when you post 4 times in 1.5 hours asking about duty rig or what not, and everyone browsing the place just says "meh" and ignores it... don't take it personally or react youthfully. It's just the grind mindset. For example, I'll bet 30% or more folks would say that ftb's rundown of foodchoices in the ATL was the best post of the day. I read that crap rigorously and I don't even transit ATL often! ;)

Geez, don't get your panties in a wad...:rolleyes: Some one will answer. In fact I will but if you keep making posts like that and still expect an anwer... I don't know what to tell you.

We get a duty rig of 1 for 2 between the hours of 0600 and 2200. Its 1 to 1.75 in the time period of 2201 to 0559. If you go thru the 0559 in the morning while on 1 for 1.75, you continue to receive that until you get a break. Our trip rig is 1 for 3.75 We have other things such as duty period average (DPA) and will be implementing a calander day amount that was negotiated in the new CBA in a month or two. (Not enough though it's a foot in the door to be improved upon.)

Denny

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