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Timbo 11-05-2012 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by PaulFooley (Post 1287895)
What prevents someone from banking time in December and cashing it out in January, after our 8.5% pay bump kicks in? For example, if I were to bank 30 hours and cash it out the following month, I'd have made an extra $300 just by deferring my pay for a month; or do I misunderstand the way this works? If it was that easy, wouldn't everyone do it or am I the last one to NOT do it?


I just went and looked it up in the contract, Section 12, it says you can deposit up to +20/month, up to a max of +60, or take out up to 20/mo. if you are that short, up to a max of -30. The key is, you cannot take out a whole bunch at once, it will only let you fill up to 82hrs. for the month.

Example: your Jan. line is worth 75, you have +60 in the bank, you want to pull all 60 of it in Jan, when the new pay rates kick in, it's only going to allow you to pull 7 out, to get you up to 82. So to get all the time you put in, out, you'd have to be running below 82 for quite a while, assuming you filled it up to +60.

I tried to copy/paste the entire Bank section, but it wouldn't do it.

Best to go read it yourself, page 12-16 and 12-17.

Go to the Dalpa web page and click on the Live Contract, go to section 12. Also, about vacation and how many reserve X days you get, there are charts in section 12 that will show you exactly how many days you get.

Flamer 11-05-2012 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1287989)
CQ no longer reduces your days off on reserve (it used to). As johnso said it is considered "available."

Your vacation time will reduce your number of days off. There is a table in the front of the bid packet (pbs bid site as well??) to show you the reduced amount.

Are you saying the new contract equals reserves working more than they used to during a CQ month?

APCLurker 11-05-2012 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1288029)
Are you saying the new contract equals reserves working more than they used to during a CQ month?

:confused:

I said CQ no longer reduces your days off while on reserve like it used to....

And that change was made prior to this new contract (loa or something).

Vacation reduces your days off, in the same way as it did under the old contract as far as I know.

johnso29 11-05-2012 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1288029)
Are you saying the new contract equals reserves working more than they used to during a CQ month?

No, the opposite actually. If you have vacation during a reserve month, you use the charts in the bid packet to find out how many X days you get in addition to your vacation. So for December with no vacation you would have 31 reserve days available. So you would get 14 days off (Reserve guarantee less then 75 hours)But with vacation, you only have 24. 31-7 days of vacation equals 24 days of availability. So depending on your fleet and the reserve guarantee you're looking at 10 or 11 days off.

In previous contracts, your 2 days of CQ would further reduce your days of availability (down to 22) and that would reduce your total days off. So under or new contract that doesn't happen.

NuGuy 11-05-2012 02:40 PM

Hmmm, seems like a lot of new pro-purple-aide posters popping up, even taking pot shots at our beloved moderators.

I wonder what kind of new TA, LOA, MOU or some other deal is coming down the pike, such that they need to be in place to start the spin.

Discuss...

Nu

Columbia 11-05-2012 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1287911)
You can do it - it's just only credit above 80 hours in a month is allowed to be banked. So you'd have to credit over 80 hours to get it. Vacation, training, GS are pay (or double pay), no credit so they don't count.

Senior folks might be able to do it but otherwise it's a bit hard.

So, you can just cash it out?

CVG767A 11-05-2012 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1288065)
Hmmm, seems like a lot of new pro-purple-aide posters popping up, even taking pot shots at our beloved moderators.

I wonder what kind of new TA, LOA, MOU or some other deal is coming down the pike, such that they need to be in place to start the spin.

Discuss...

Nu

Why is it that pro DALPA or a pro Delta comments are considered spin, but the anti comments are not?

I've got to agree with Ferd. This board is a depressing place.

On the bright side, APC isn't wasting too much of my time lately...

iaflyer 11-05-2012 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1288071)
So, you can just cash it out?

Cash what out?

tsquare 11-05-2012 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by PaulFooley (Post 1287895)
What prevents someone from banking time in December and cashing it out in January, after our 8.5% pay bump kicks in? For example, if I were to bank 30 hours and cash it out the following month, I'd have made an extra $300 just by deferring my pay for a month; or do I misunderstand the way this works? If it was that easy, wouldn't everyone do it or am I the last one to NOT do it?

I think I said something about this before.... it's still not too late though. If you put it in as a MadDog FO, and take it out as a MadDog CA or even a 7ERFO.. it will pay the rate at which you take it out. Having a full bank with an impending pay increase is a really smart thing.

tsquare 11-05-2012 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1287926)
I think the most you can put into your positive bank is 5 hours per month...unless that's been changed in one of the last T/A's, which it may have, but back in the day, all you could deposit was 5.

Ever since we've been using PBS, I've been in negative bank land, so I'm not too sure what the max pos. deposit is anymore.

Nope.. you can put up to 20 each month. They will still only TAKE 5 over the ALV if you have a negative bank.(I believe) I know it is only 5 that they can take, but I am not sure of the trigger.


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