NERD

I hope you are joking? All they have to is copy Dalpas testimony/playbook from the last time, take it to arbitration and WALA, homerun. Seriously, how do we even attempt to defend it? When I bring HAL, AS, or even JB(and how bad relative seniority is going to bite us in the ass) up to the ATL FO's I fly with that were 2007-2008 hires and how they are going to get reamed this time it's almost comical. Sucks being on the other end.

80ktsClamp

HA people will get what their seniority can buy... Reamed? Not really. There's only 300 of them and they bring over a lot of high quality aircraft (not super premium, though. ) As an early 07 hire, I would probably end up senior to all the 717 FO slots. No biggie.

gloopy

I'm sure no one on either side would longevity jump their current YOS step under any circumstance.

gloopy

No. Not yet. But its no secret that HI is on the short list of potential merger candidates with DL.

buzzpat

Exactly. Makes total sense. Same aircraft types, HND, an HNL base that NWA used to have....and 300 or so pilots. The SLI would be a no brainer. Be a lot cheaper and make more sense than an AS merger. It would suck for their heritage and company culture....but lots of heritage and company culture is going by the way these days.

gloopy

Each merger is different. DOH may work for some, relative for others. Then you have various methods like pull and plug for retirements or one top heavy group versus another, zippering the list in whole or starting at a specific point, a staple or any combination.

You could pull and plug a given amount, zipper a given amount, blend an amount with relative and then staple a certain amount, all in the same merger. Then there's fences and freezes as well. Everyone will tout their "gold standard" which will be whatever serves them the best. That is why they almost always go to arbitration.

DL and NW were much, much closer across the board than DL and HI would be on many seniority related issues. I would expect DALPA to resist a full on relative integration with all available resources, just as I would expect HALPA to "go for it" because hey, why not?

gloopy

550, going on 600+

And every new hire class vaults the class a month junior up over 1000 DL numbers? No way.

80ktsClamp

I stand corrected, however they are bringing on both the bottom category at DL and a high category. All the 717 slots that they bring I argue should go stove piped at the bottom of the list. Megapoodle slots rightfully so should go senior. Regardless, that is less than 6% of our current list sprinkled around.


+717

DARR31

I'd say if we merge with HAL since there are 556 pilots, date of hire would be better and the same with AK since they have 1432 pilots and their retirements are close to ours. Plus with all the new hires both have, relative seniority would hit the DAL junior guys yet again. But then again, I'm a West Coast guy that would like to fly out of SEA sometime before I retire in the next 15-20 years, so I'm a bit bias....

80ktsClamp

How would we DOH with an airline if our list isnt DOH? The original DL list wasn't even DOH to begin with...

SEA 7ERB went wayyy junior... how far down the list are you?